Giblet wrote:Any advantage, except one that expressly forbidden in the rules perhaps. Passing off track is not allowed. There is nothing in the rules about being forced off track, then the off track gain of position is OK.
They should know the rules. You can't break one and then ask the stewards if it is ok to break the rule, that won't help anyone.
Granted, and that is what happened with Alonso. He was forced off the track by Kubica, when he was alongside. So the position that he "gained" was earned and legal. Had kubica given Alonso room of half a cars width, Alonso would stll have been ahead, coming out of the corner>
I don't think you understand what Giblet is saying here. He's saying there's no rule to say your pass is legal if you get pushed (POV) off-track. Off-track pass means give position back ALWAYS.
Look at the two passes, they're almost the same.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJXQXYapdxAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FzNZSaKOsQ
You can't say Kubica pushed Alonso off the track any more than Kimi did to Hamilton. And Hamilton gave back the place to Kimi, however briefly (the rules didn't say it was not allowed then, they changed them after the race), but he still got a penalty.
How can Ferrari/Alonso complain about getting this penalty with a straight face, especially after their previous tiresome tirade about Hamilton passing the SC in the previous race and their "holier than though" acting about rule breaking?
Look, this sort of thing has been happening for ever in racing. People almost always give back the place and complain about the other driver later and get him penalized some times. Ferrari is way off base again. Really bad habit forming up. I guess it's because of all those years before that they got preferential treatment