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Sebastian Vettel secured another top spot on the podium today at the Malaysian GP at Sepang. Just like in Australia he had a great start and pushed to the end to keep rivals at distance. Jenson Button drove consistently to second while Nick Heidfeld secured a second podium for Lotus Renault.
Like I said the rules allow 1 movement. A failure to adhere to this is not a failure of my argument. It just means the stewards didnt act where they should have.Just_a_fan wrote:
No we don't - the rules are quite clear and make no exception for the start of the race.
This is exactly the risk reward measure the driver has to calculate before making the move. I get what both you and JAF are saying, I get it every weekend racing Go Karts. Some people will take you out by ensuring you gain no advantage at any point even if you are quicker.volarchico wrote:I'm not arguing JET, but I have a question as to what is a "move": If bloke A is on the racing line, and moves right to defend against bloke B going down a straight, is he allowed to move back to the racing line before the next corner or is he now stuck in a compromised spot for the next corner?
me too. I like wide track. it gives more opportunity to overtake. If it narrow then people also complained about no overtaking and so on......n smikle wrote:I like wide tracks for exactly that reason. Multiple ways to get ahead.WilliamsF1 wrote:
Having seen this image it is clear that the track is way too wide. This made for an unreal start for Nike Heidfeld and others
Should FIA now revise their regulations for track design
AFAIK, the rule, which is as much an agreement between all parts as a rule, as the definition of "move" is not written anywhere, says one move and back to the racing line is allowed.volarchico wrote:I'm not arguing JET, but I have a question as to what is a "move": If bloke A is on the racing line, and moves right to defend against bloke B going down a straight, is he allowed to move back to the racing line before the next corner or is he now stuck in a compromised spot for the next corner?
I'm afraid if this rule has to be applied so strictly to the 1st corner run, then there will be only one possibility - all the cars moving to the outside of this corner forming nice looking queue. Hardly racing at all.Just_a_fan wrote:Hamilton was all over him. He moved every time Hamilton did. Weaving is weaving - doesn't matter if it's trying to "break airflow" (whatever that is) or any other reason.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: As for Vettels weave, I saw nothing like someone attempting to overtake him and he weaved to break airflow.He moved more than once and thus broke the rule. Lots of drivers did it, both at the start and throughout the race. Only one lost points because of it though...The rule allows 1 movement, if he broke that then the stewards failed.No we don't - the rules are quite clear and make no exception for the start of the race.We need to be careful not to put the start of GP and jockeying for postion 5 or 6 cars abreast as the same as 1 car attempting an overtake on another and the guy spazzing out by moving to and fro.
You have stated that 1 movement is enough or it's going to be dangerous. The most dangerous period in the race is the first lap and the run to the first corner is when the cars are at their closest. Weaving here is more dangerous than at any other time but you think it's ok? Well, excuse me for not following the logic there...
Your argument is a great argument why the one move rule is crap, but it's not a great argument why Vettel should not have been penalised. Both Vettel and Hamilton got good starts, the two were basically on their own – Vettel wove violently 4 times. As an aside – I considered Alonso and Hamilton's racing some of the best racing we've seen in a good long time. I find it very very sad that either driver was penalised for some of the best stuff we've seen.marekk wrote:I'm afraid if this rule has to be applied so strictly to the 1st corner run, then there will be only one possibility - all the cars moving to the outside of this corner forming nice looking queue. Hardly racing at all.Just_a_fan wrote:Hamilton was all over him. He moved every time Hamilton did. Weaving is weaving - doesn't matter if it's trying to "break airflow" (whatever that is) or any other reason.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: As for Vettels weave, I saw nothing like someone attempting to overtake him and he weaved to break airflow.He moved more than once and thus broke the rule. Lots of drivers did it, both at the start and throughout the race. Only one lost points because of it though...The rule allows 1 movement, if he broke that then the stewards failed.No we don't - the rules are quite clear and make no exception for the start of the race.We need to be careful not to put the start of GP and jockeying for postion 5 or 6 cars abreast as the same as 1 car attempting an overtake on another and the guy spazzing out by moving to and fro.
You have stated that 1 movement is enough or it's going to be dangerous. The most dangerous period in the race is the first lap and the run to the first corner is when the cars are at their closest. Weaving here is more dangerous than at any other time but you think it's ok? Well, excuse me for not following the logic there...
And as the cars are so close to each other, one can always argue that his 1st move was to defend Lewis, this second to defend Button, third to defend Webber ...
He will use a new tub in China because of this."Something was there on the track – we don't know if it was from a Toro Rosso or another team. When [Jaime] Alguersuari drove into it, it just came straight at me and into my car. It was a very dangerous situation because it came into the computer software box and it stopped just before my seat."
