HRT 2012

[element]

You are wrong when you say "I'm very sorry for HRT, but after 3 years they are still the same unprofessional, random team that they were when entering in 2010".

You can do your comments and critics, fair enough, but the above statement is not true, you simply don't know. They might be as professional or more professional than other teams, what they don't have is budget, that is something we all know.
So doing that kind of comments is when the rest of your arguments, even when they could be valid, are not taken seriously.

[dice782]

Fact of the matter is that HRT is still in exactly the same -poor- place as they did, 2 years ago.

So you can say that their progress in 2 years has been absolutely none. The only real thing they do the last 3 seasons, is driving in the way of faster drivers.

You can say exactly the same about Mercedes AMG... expending 5 times the money HRT has

We all know that HRT is not going to win the WCC. But, for this year, they seem to have a better approach than just do laps. They have a good driver, they have a base... it seems that they are taking the right steps, and that's why I wish them a good season and I become a fan of them.

About the car, with nearly 3 weeks until China, i hope they can start solving all the issues with the car. Pedro said he had a problem with the fuel pump. They will be able to solve those small issues with the car and do a proper GP friday, working on setup, not just doing laps to understand the car.


Trocola

With the big difference that Mercedes is scoring points (until now not much, but they'll surely score enough points this year) and that it's a team that adds value to the grid.

I'm very sorry for HRT, but after 3 years they are still the same unprofessional, random team that they were when entering in 2010. I gave them credit in 2010 and was eventually quite impressed with what they 'did' that year. I thought it would be better in 2011 and things improved a tiny bit.

But failing to join the winter-testing, assembling a car in time for the first GP-practise, and barely getting within 107% in qualif this year... Nah, I've kinda had it with this team. If it were a completely new car, I'd give it some credit, but if you look at the 2012 it's, 99% the same from the 2011-car.

And the fact that they even gave Karthikeyan (imo top 5 of the worst drivers in recent years) ANOTHER season F1, due to all of his money, is beyond me.

Honestly I also don't think NK is a consistent driver for F1 . I was even criticizing HRT for choosing him again. One thing we have to realize that there are different kinds of drivers with different qualities, some drivers know how to win others know how to set up a car and give feedback, these are the qualities most teams look for. Although NK's ability to win races is questionable, he brings a quality more important to HRT and HRT are not the only ones looking for this. You may not like that but HRT and others teams don't build their cars and travel the world for free.

HRT belongs in Formula one and they have a right to learn and grow their team and personnel. You are entitled to your opinion but you have no right calling HRT random and un professional especially in front of HRT fans. There is no rule against missing pre-season testing and they probably saved money missing it knowing they were going to be last.

A team just doesn't build 3 F1 cars randomly while still never missing a single race in the past 2 years. HRT may have had some setbacks because of its size/budget, that probably didn't make it look good on TV for you but they have survived! Teams are more then what you see on TV,
As for not adding any value to the sport your argument is invalid and adds no value to this forum! Go ask Cosworth,Williams and Redbull what value HRT adds! HRT employ skilled personnel, professionals, engineers and contractors who can continue practicing and expanding their skills in F1 and can one day move on to other teams. So after 2 years HRT is still last and still fighting for their survival just like other teams. So what experience running a start up F1 team do you have to say they shouldn't be racing last after 2 seasons?

[ESPImperium]

^^^ Very well put!

Do HRT deserve to be in F1, yes. Are they un professional, No.

F1 needs small teams, how many of the major team principles or top aero/mech engineers have come from a smaller team? Newey started at March, Brawn at March as well, Aldo Costa started at Minardi and thats just for starters.

Small teams need time to grow. 2010 they were stillborn, last year they were just about the same. This year they have just about made it, albeit a week or two late dute to a test failure, whitch can happen at that level. Ferrari even failed a crash test this year.

This year thay are a 80% new team, they will get experience, but it will take time. Peter Sauber knows how tough it is to set up outside the Oxford and Modena clusters, Toyota almost succeeded in breaking out that mould. They are doint things differently, and all the power to them.

A new team should always be judged after 5 years, as thats how long it takes to get staff and contractors that have been over the course a few times and can trust in the team without much worry.

HRT always said dont judge us untill 2014-2015 at the earliest under this management. Under the previous one they said 2013, and Capmos said whenever we have set ourselvs up and have the staff and experteese. He floated the "F1 Kit Car" idea in a press conference to much amusement of media folks, and in 2010 under a different name they were second from last in the constructors table.

F1 needs a under dog as one day, someone from that team may be the next big F1 Technichal Director or Team Principle.

[dice782]

^^^ Very well put!

Do HRT deserve to be in F1, yes. Are they un professional, No.

F1 needs small teams, how many of the major team principles or top aero/mech engineers have come from a smaller team? Newey started at March, Brawn at March as well, Aldo Costa started at Minardi and thats just for starters.

Small teams need time to grow. 2010 they were stillborn, last year they were just about the same. This year they have just about made it, albeit a week or two late dute to a test failure, whitch can happen at that level. Ferrari even failed a crash test this year.

This year thay are a 80% new team, they will get experience, but it will take time. Peter Sauber knows how tough it is to set up outside the Oxford and Modena clusters, Toyota almost succeeded in breaking out that mould. They are doint things differently, and all the power to them.

A new team should always be judged after 5 years, as thats how long it takes to get staff and contractors that have been over the course a few times and can trust in the team without much worry.

HRT always said dont judge us untill 2014-2015 at the earliest under this management. Under the previous one they said 2013, and Capmos said whenever we have set ourselvs up and have the staff and experteese. He floated the "F1 Kit Car" idea in a press conference to much amusement of media folks, and in 2010 under a different name they were second from last in the constructors table.

F1 needs a under dog as one day, someone from that team may be the next big F1 Technichal Director or Team Principle.

Williams, Ferrari an Mclaren started up long before my time but I can remember all the other teams in F1 suffering almost the very same hardships as HRT and Marussia. If I was a vehicle manufacturer and wanted to join F1 then HRT and Marussia would probably be my first target for acquisition. No one needs to spend as much as Toyota to build a team from scratch. You can't really discount any new manufacturers joining F1 in the near future, Even though car sales have suffered with the harsh economic environment all of a sudden you get Luxury Car brands like Rolls, Bentley etc making record sales.(137% increase or something like that pretty ridiculous!!)

[charan0790]

22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1’45.909 5.187 52
23 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1’46.244 5.522 54



guess he ain't that slow.

[dice782]

22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1’45.909 5.187 52
23 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1’46.244 5.522 54



guess he ain't that slow.

Both guys are not fast enough at the moment and hopefully HRT can improve enough quickly to start catching Marussia.

[tenali]

is it true that hrt have a lighter version of their car coming in for barcelona???

http://www.f1rules.com/f1-spanish-hrt-f ... n-germany/

[Maelstrom]

For a team that had no winter testing and failed to even qualify within 107% in the first race coming back in the second race with both drivers completing it... its not a small accomplishment.

When you factor in that the race was in difficult conditions and the temperatures and weather was erratic it makes it even more impressive.

HRT may be the worst F1 team at the moment but I think that with time things might change. They just need to keep improving bit by bit.

[JayeOFarrell]

That´s my opinion, i wont change it!

Let´s discuss REAL cars

PS: It´s not because I don´t write a lot that I don´t read or have a (great!) opinion...

A real car is a car made of actually matter. The HRT has been made out of matter susposd to magical fairy dust and thus; we are talking about a 'real' car.

You have a saddly naive veiw point. Also if that is your opinion why was it that you found yourself on this blog, and before you realised your mistake you found the time to post a irrelvent comment which was no help to anyone here? I'm sure you have good reason for all this but I am perplexed.

[Jack Malone]

Ok, I admit.

It was an idiotic point of view...

[dice782]

is it true that hrt have a lighter version of their car coming in for barcelona???

http://www.f1rules.com/f1-spanish-hrt-f ... n-germany/

Yes that's what Holzer told the German media that there was a lighter version of the chassis to run just before Barcelona. Also there seems to be 2 new sponsors set to be announced at Barcelona. Pretty major beverage manufacturer from Spain.

I have a question for the forum is the weight of the cars made available after each race or is this information kept secret?I know that the minimum weight is 640Kg. It would be interesting to see how much over weight the F112 is, as I remember most of the progress made with the F110 was done by removing weight from various parts of the car and improving the weight distribution.

[wesley123]

with new sponsors coming aboard in Barcelona.

You mean the same sponsors HRT signed at the start of 2011?

[cbbcisace]

Don't start that again....

[dice782]

with new sponsors coming aboard in Barcelona.

You mean the same sponsors HRT signed at the start of 2011?

Yes I know what you mean Carabantes did make HRT look foolish. The new management probably want to distance themselves from the former owners. So HRT haven't and wont announce anything yet, but as fans we are aloud to speculate around rumors and if you read the HRT forums you will know what we are talking about.

[tenali]

Hrt has named Tony as its new technical director, i think it is a good move by them by not naming any new guy as TD as it would take time for a new guy to settle in.Tony has been with the team and now i think he will have a larger say at things @HRT.

But as i am not aware of Tony's carrer in F1 is he that good to be a TD in a F1 team?