Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

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Post Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:17 pm

Mika1 wrote:The situation:
-Ross Brawn
-Nick Fry
-Geoff Willis
-Bob Bell
-Aldo Costa
-Mike Elliot
-Nikki Lauda
-Toto Wolff
-Paddy Lowe

You can be sure someone has to go. I expect Brawn and Fry.

There's space at Williams to fill with Williams to become Merc B team or technology partner in light of FI uncertainty.

It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.
Shakeman
 
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Post Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:25 pm

jav wrote:
OppositeLock wrote:=D> I'm hoping these are more than just rumors. [-o< Brawn's ticket may have been punched when Schumacher was shown the door. He essentially received a no confidence vote. :twisted: The timing is right to trim the rose bush as big changes are on the way in 2014. 8)



I don't believe Schumi was shown the door...at least not in a matter of fact sense. Schumacher always towed the company line in public, never letting on what's really behind the curtain. I believe that after 3 years, he had little confidence this technical team would suddenly achieve what they couldn't in the previous 3. So he didn't commit to a 4th year and was fine with the teams choice to get Hamilton.

I don't believe for 1 second that if Schumi thought a winning car was truely in the works, after 3 years of struggling, that he 'd have ANY reluctance in gving it another year. Despite his PR optimism- I think he expected what many of us fans expect... another disappointing season.


Of course Schumi was shown the door. The talks and agreement with Hamilton, dated back to APRIL. So from then on, Merc F1 KNEW that Schumacher would not be staying with the team.
gilgen
 
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Post Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:22 pm

Well we know for a fact that Mercedes waited on Schumacher until Schumachers own clause lapsed in August 2012.
Mercedes covered their bases in case he decided to call it quits. Had they not held initial discussions with drivers they would be in a tough spot driver wise.
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FoxHound
 
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Post Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:27 pm

gilgen wrote:Of course Schumi was shown the door. The talks and agreement with Hamilton, dated back to APRIL. So from then on, Merc F1 KNEW that Schumacher would not be staying with the team.


Talks- yes, agreement in April is news to me. Link please?

Also- Schumachers non commitance to 2013 predates april... as far back as 2010, he has always said he would honor his 3 year deal and decide only near the end of his contract.

I find it perfectly reasonable that Merc had talks with Hami (and others) to protect thier interests...and they did. Both Haug and Brawn are on record as wanting Schumi to stay on but both stated that decision was his. They are also on record that Schumi was kept aware of negotiations. Why keep him in the loop if the decision were already made that he's gone?

Schumacher wasn't shown door as much as he was outside the door and his indecision allowed the door to be closed on him. Now we could debate if that was his intention or not but I'll readily admit I have no facts to support my beliefs here.
jav
 
Joined: 4 Feb 2011

Post Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:43 pm

Mika1 wrote:The situation:
-Ross Brawn
-Nick Fry
-Geoff Willis
-Bob Bell
-Aldo Costa
-Mike Elliot
-Nikki Lauda
-Toto Wolff
-Paddy Lowe

You can be sure someone has to go. I expect Brawn and Fry.


So who have they lost over 2011/12?

Steve Clarke (great guy),
Loïc Bigois
Norbert (from Merc Msport)

erm...
pocketmoon
 
Joined: 17 Oct 2011

Post Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:58 pm

Mika1 wrote:The situation:
-Ross Brawn
-Nick Fry
-Geoff Willis
-Bob Bell
-Aldo Costa
-Mike Elliot
-Nikki Lauda
-Toto Wolff
-Paddy Lowe

You can be sure someone has to go. I expect Brawn and Fry.

Looks like they want to build a complete team out of managers. I always wondered how quick Brawn would be with a wheelgun.
turbof1
 
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Post Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:39 pm

jav wrote:
gilgen wrote:Of course Schumi was shown the door. The talks and agreement with Hamilton, dated back to APRIL. So from then on, Merc F1 KNEW that Schumacher would not be staying with the team.


Talks- yes, agreement in April is news to me. Link please?

Also- Schumachers non commitance to 2013 predates april... as far back as 2010, he has always said he would honor his 3 year deal and decide only near the end of his contract.

I find it perfectly reasonable that Merc had talks with Hami (and others) to protect thier interests...and they did. Both Haug and Brawn are on record as wanting Schumi to stay on but both stated that decision was his. They are also on record that Schumi was kept aware of negotiations. Why keep him in the loop if the decision were already made that he's gone?

Schumacher wasn't shown door as much as he was outside the door and his indecision allowed the door to be closed on him. Now we could debate if that was his intention or not but I'll readily admit I have no facts to support my beliefs here.


Common knowledge! Ask Sergio when talks about joining Mc Laren were initiated. Hamilton had already committed to Merc, and McLaren need a replacement.
Now, if Hamilton was already committed, how could Schumacher mistakenly believe that he could still re-sign with Merc? Schumacher was kept in the dark, despite Perez being signed up to replace Hamilton, who even earlier had signed with Merc. Schumacher was shafted.
gilgen
 
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Post Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:47 pm

Common knowledge? The earliest i've heard of an agreement was Singapore. I've seen and read nothing reliable about an April agreement. Surely, if this is common knowledge, you can point to some reliable source?

BTW- I'm referring to "agreement"... not talks.
jav
 
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Post Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:51 am

it was reported, that schumacher was so upset to be dumbed and also the way he was dumbed that straight after he was told about his demission he called in a press conference within 5mins!
winth304
 
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Post Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:34 am

winth304 wrote:it was reported, that schumacher was so upset to be dumbed and also the way he was dumbed that straight after he was told about his demission he called in a press conference within 5mins!


Where was this reported?
Cocles
 
Joined: 2 Sep 2011

Post Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:35 am

Schmu was obviously ousted... but just with gentle persuasion. There was no way they were keeping him for the "super team" since he had become a sort of dead flesh in the body.

As per Brawn, the man who brought in Shumi as his "pet project," that failed: he won't be seeing the daylight of 2014.

Nick Fry - what does he ever do?! He's gone as well.
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Sebastian Vettel"
PlatinumZealot
 
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Post Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:39 am

FoxHound wrote:The W03 was fast out the blocks, lets remember that at least.


At least for the first few laps:)

Toto seems to be on a brief to slim down the organization, I think that should work as the previous structure put in was too large. I expect some of the heads to packed off for a more efficient team.

Ross is a great guy for operations but i wonder why he moved out (when he did) from Ferrari. If he is on the move then I think it will be on Lauda's assessment rather than Toto's.

Ross anyway is now too rich to be a employee (could be very wrong), but i don't see him at his very best unless he uses his riches to buy a stake in some other tame and then involved in the day to day running.
WilliamsF1
 
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Post Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:45 am

Looks very much like Ross was focussed in increasing the teams net work through employing high profile engineers which would be in line with him never wanting more out of it than to sell the team on down the line again.
Mercedes are probably serious about wanting to win now after three years of phaffing about. Bringing Toto Wolfe and Paddy Loew would be a smart move.
the guys they'e really missing is Tomabazis or Prodromou but I doubt they'd get either
Raptor22
 
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Post Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:19 am

Asked whether he will rue Hamilton's departure from McLaren, Button said: "I'm not disappointed because there's always change.

"I'd be disappointed if Paddy Lowe moved from the team because that's the guy who's going to help me achieve in the future.

"Whereas with Lewis, drivers come and go and people change, and that's pretty normal in the sport.


Interesting.
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Mika1
 
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Post Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:51 pm

Raptor22 wrote:Looks very much like Ross was focussed in increasing the teams net work through employing high profile engineers which would be in line with him never wanting more out of it than to sell the team on down the line again.
Mercedes are probably serious about wanting to win now after three years of phaffing about. Bringing Toto Wolfe and Paddy Loew would be a smart move.
the guys they'e really missing is Tomabazis or Prodromou but I doubt they'd get either


I believe Tombazis was linked with them in early 2010, but it may have been simply based no the expectation that Brawn wanted to get all his old Benetton/Ferrari people around him.

If Tombazis were to be fired (and that is not out of the question, if the Ferrari is slow out of the blocks again this year) then I imagine Mercedes would be quick to snap him up.
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