Scuderia Ferrari 2014

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Bob Brown
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From Autosprint:

"For the first time in Ferrari, engineers have worked with #Kimi on differential and brake balance (and suspension geometries)"


It only took them until the penultimate race of the year to finally work with Kimi on the car?
I know that Ferrari has mostly been a 1 car/person/driver team, but I really hope that with Matiacci they will focus on both drivers instead of just 1 and then pray the second one can do something with the first person's settings.
Ridiculous.

Good thing Vettel and Kimi have similar driving styles.

Manoah2u
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Why.

The schumacher 'era' was magnificient, but it did not make Ferrari as magical as is being portrayed. And as if in the pre- and pro- Schumacher there were no championships. Hell, with Schumacher, there were 5 seasons where they did not get the championship and 6 where they did get the WCC. :roll:

Let's present some facts instead of Ferrari bashing.

Ferrari Constructor championships ;

2008, 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1983, 1982, 1979, 1977, 1976, 1975, 1964, 1961

16 Constructors championships of which 6 with Schumacher. the 1999-2004 era was 'rare' at most,
just as RedBull was 'rare' to have a WCC streak like they had. They 'earned' it but it's not suddenly
canon to only be accepted if you're on a killing spree.

2007 and 2008 saw Ferrari win without schumacher the constructor's championship.
Was Ferrari a disgrace in 1965 to 1975? Ten years without constructors? No, they weren't a disgrace.

So how bad did Ferrari really do recently?

2014; 4th currently in the championship standings with still the potential to become 3rd
2013; 3rd
2012; 2nd
2011; 3rd
2010; 3rd
2009; 4th

1996, 1997, 1998; 2nd > like in 2012
1991, 1994, 1995; 3rd > like in 2010, 2011, 2013

Ferrari's worst results up to date were in 1981 (5th, 1980 10TH!, 1973, 1969, and more.

Meanwhile Ferrari had a World Driver Champion thanks to their car in the seasons 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1979, 1977, 1975 and some more.

So how bad really is Ferrari doing this year? If they maintain their position, just as good/bad as in 2009. And if they grab the 3rd position in the WCC, they were just as good/bad as in '13, '11, '10, '05. Do we concider these years bad?

Extreme negativity here. A new F1 format and Ferrari doesn't perform like we'd might want to see and it's a madhouse in here. 2009 was exactly the same.

Ferrari has won many championships without schumi without the schumi approach. The schumi approach worked, good.
Non-schumi approaches worked, too. Good.
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f1universe
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Manoah2u wrote:

2014; 4th currently in the championship standings with still the potential to become 3rd
No chance despite double points, they will finish 4th.

prince
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Manoah2u wrote:Why.

The schumacher 'era' was magnificient, but it did not make Ferrari as magical as is being portrayed. And as if in the pre- and pro- Schumacher there were no championships. Hell, with Schumacher, there were 5 seasons where they did not get the championship and 6 where they did get the WCC. :roll:

Let's present some facts instead of Ferrari bashing.

Ferrari Constructor championships ;

2008, 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1983, 1982, 1979, 1977, 1976, 1975, 1964, 1961

16 Constructors championships of which 6 with Schumacher. the 1999-2004 era was 'rare' at most,
just as RedBull was 'rare' to have a WCC streak like they had. They 'earned' it but it's not suddenly
canon to only be accepted if you're on a killing spree.

2007 and 2008 saw Ferrari win without schumacher the constructor's championship.
Was Ferrari a disgrace in 1965 to 1975? Ten years without constructors? No, they weren't a disgrace.

So how bad did Ferrari really do recently?

2014; 4th currently in the championship standings with still the potential to become 3rd
2013; 3rd
2012; 2nd
2011; 3rd
2010; 3rd
2009; 4th

1996, 1997, 1998; 2nd > like in 2012
1991, 1994, 1995; 3rd > like in 2010, 2011, 2013

Ferrari's worst results up to date were in 1981 (5th, 1980 10TH!, 1973, 1969, and more.

Meanwhile Ferrari had a World Driver Champion thanks to their car in the seasons 2007, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1979, 1977, 1975 and some more.

So how bad really is Ferrari doing this year? If they maintain their position, just as good/bad as in 2009. And if they grab the 3rd position in the WCC, they were just as good/bad as in '13, '11, '10, '05. Do we concider these years bad?

Extreme negativity here. A new F1 format and Ferrari doesn't perform like we'd might want to see and it's a madhouse in here. 2009 was exactly the same.

Ferrari has won many championships without schumi without the schumi approach. The schumi approach worked, good.
Non-schumi approaches worked, too. Good.
I have used the same numbers to depict in a picture and this how it looks like.
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The WCC results don't tell the full story. At no point since 2008 have Ferrari had what you would call a competitive car. The closeness of the results in 2010 and 2012 are only because of Red Bull's poor reliability in 2010, and Mclaren screwing up so badly in 2012 (coupled with the tyre lottery). Other than that, there has always been significant distance between Ferrari and the top cars of the year. With Mclaren, the 2013 and 2014 can be described as a disaster, but from 2009-2012 they had a car that could compete with the best car at some points throughout the season.

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Cold Fussion wrote:The WCC results don't tell the full story. At no point since 2008 have Ferrari had what you would call a competitive car. The closeness of the results in 2010 and 2012 are only because of Red Bull's poor reliability in 2010, and Mclaren screwing up so badly in 2012 (coupled with the tyre lottery). Other than that, there has always been significant distance between Ferrari and the top cars of the year. With Mclaren, the 2013 and 2014 can be described as a disaster, but from 2009-2012 they had a car that could compete with the best car at some points throughout the season.
To be fair, Alonso's China 2013 win was as dominant as anything he had in early 2006, and Spain 2013 wasn't too bad either. But things took a turn for the worse with the Canada update, and never recovered...
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

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Kiss the Apex
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Although I agree that Ferrari's pitfalls are greatly exaggerated by most you would have to say they haven't built a car capable of winning the constructors since 2008. Look a qualifying for example as this is a good measurement of a car on one lap pace.

The last two Pole positions by Ferrari were both in 2012 with Alonso, both in the wet so we will look further back. 2010 there was Singapore which granted Alonso got on merit but this was largely down to his class rather than a great car as the two Red Bulls were breathing down his next during qualy and the race. So that leaves Monza 2010 the last time Ferrari had performed anywhere near the likes of 2008 where they managed to rake in 8 poles during the whole season.

4 poles in the space of 6 years is not good.

Harsha
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Kiss the Apex wrote:Although I agree that Ferrari's pitfalls are greatly exaggerated by most you would have to say they haven't built a car capable of winning the constructors since 2008. Look a qualifying for example as this is a good measurement of a car on one lap pace.

The last two Pole positions by Ferrari were both in 2012 with Alonso, both in the wet so we will look further back. 2010 there was Singapore which granted Alonso got on merit but this was largely down to his class rather than a great car as the two Red Bulls were breathing down his next during qualy and the race. So that leaves Monza 2010 the last time Ferrari had performed anywhere near the likes of 2008 where they managed to rake in 8 poles during the whole season.

4 poles in the space of 6 years is not good.
I think from 2011 Ferrari mostly geared their car for races in my view as they knew their car is not good enough for pole positions

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Is there any possibility for them to drop water to air, because i think that tank inside V is puting CG a bit higher.

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Yes and i think they will need to redesign the whole engine when they take the intercooler out the V.
It's not required, but in terms of optimization they would definitely want to change everything once they switch to air to air.
For Sure!!

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from their twitter
Scuderia FerrariVerified account
‏@InsideFerrari
Something important is going to happen. Stay tuned...
Sta per succedere qualcosa di importante. State connessi…

Harsha
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F1NAC wrote:from their twitter
Scuderia FerrariVerified account
‏@InsideFerrari
Something important is going to happen. Stay tuned...
Sta per succedere qualcosa di importante. State connessi…
Wondering what they are going to say may be some thing about FIAT?

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Or 2015 Driver Lineup, or both, or nothing...... seriously Silly Season 2014 is just too silly to make Predictions.
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Richard
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Woo hoo! That tweet was the build up to changing the name of their twitter account. #-o

Driver moves are discussed in the Silly Season thread to avoid duplicate posts in threads for both old and new team. :arrow: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... ead#unread

I've deleted a few silly season posts that have been duplicated here.

mika vs michael
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Ross Brawn finally coming back?
"It is necessary to relax your muscles when you can. Relaxing your brain is fatal." Stirling Moss

I tried this and I had understeer, I tried that and I had oversteer, at the end of the corner I just run out of talent

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