Apologies but if you specifically monitor you will see at least 2 drivers consistently stretching the limits. Rosberg and Vettel. I am not saying they drive outside track limits but its probably down to driving style.SectorOne wrote:He was pushing like crazy and he just went over the limit a tiny bit and lost it.
It happens sometimes.
Electrical power was not available on Vettel's car upon restart, that might explain a few things.Juzh wrote:Ric is on average 2-3/10ts faster than vet when on comparable strategies. According to horner it's mainly down to braking and laggy PU. When those things are sorted I expect them to be much more evenly matched.
Outright pace aside, vettel certainly didn't help himself in hungary with some of the worst racing he's produced this year. Loosing positions at the start, the restart, spinning...
Except this wasn't known at the time of my writing.Jano11 wrote:Electrical power was not available on Vettel's car upon restart, that might explain a few things.Juzh wrote:Ric is on average 2-3/10ts faster than vet when on comparable strategies. According to horner it's mainly down to braking and laggy PU. When those things are sorted I expect them to be much more evenly matched.
Outright pace aside, vettel certainly didn't help himself in hungary with some of the worst racing he's produced this year. Loosing positions at the start, the restart, spinning...
It's always good to do a bit of research before posting something negative.
I think its funny that you posted this to one of the biggest Red Bull fans here, because of your lack of research.Jano11 wrote:Electrical power was not available on Vettel's car upon restart, that might explain a few things.Juzh wrote:Ric is on average 2-3/10ts faster than vet when on comparable strategies. According to horner it's mainly down to braking and laggy PU. When those things are sorted I expect them to be much more evenly matched.
Outright pace aside, vettel certainly didn't help himself in hungary with some of the worst racing he's produced this year. Loosing positions at the start, the restart, spinning...
It's always good to do a bit of research before posting something negative.
It´s not driving style per say. Vettel got greedy, he went wider there then Hamilton and Ricciardo behind him and he got bitten.ab_f1 wrote:Apologies but if you specifically monitor you will see at least 2 drivers consistently stretching the limits. Rosberg and Vettel. I am not saying they drive outside track limits but its probably down to driving style.SectorOne wrote:He was pushing like crazy and he just went over the limit a tiny bit and lost it.
It happens sometimes.
I said driving style because I have observed him going wide then most of other drivers in the corners. Not just here but pretty much routinely.SectorOne wrote: It´s not driving style per say. Vettel got greedy, he went wider there then Hamilton and Ricciardo behind him and he got bitten.
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No, that's all packaging, which is teh responsibility of the team already.lio007 wrote:Are they going to build their own PU?
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But I don't understand why you need e.g. In-cylinder flow and combustion modelling for your packaging?CBeck113 wrote:No, that's all packaging, which is teh responsibility of the team already.lio007 wrote:Are they going to build their own PU?
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Or perhaps they know that the Renault PU is nowhere near as bad as they want the media to believe, and they just need a scapegoat for Red Bull's inability to challenge Mercedes this season?marcush. wrote:Marko and Horner have criticised Renault massively but yet have not switched to something else.Makes you wonder what their plan actually is.
Don't see why you'd want to do it in house. Now they get the engines for free from a very capable manufacturer. If they have to do it on their own they have to spread the funds, plus get engine building knowledge and experience. And with the engine freeze and points system there is just no room for learning. You have to pretty much do it right from the start.marcush. wrote: But my gut feeling is RedBull is on its way to do it all in house ..mind you this could quite quickly develop into something creating income ...Renault just does not have the money to go on like that ,Mercedes will soon have to rethink when the title is secured .So this leaves Ferrari and Honda as suppliers .
Since Renault designed the engine they had to specify the flow in and out of the combustion chambers. RB in this case is responsible for meeting these specifications with their installation, which means that they need people to design the packaging and then simulate the results, trying to reach Renault's specs. They won't be responsible for changing the design of the ECU (but I'm sure will be able to make suggestions to Renault if they find something), but need to know everything about it to make it work as good as it can.lio007 wrote:
But I don't understand why you need e.g. In-cylinder flow and combustion modelling for your packaging?