Infiniti Red Bull Racing 2015

[rayden]

And the new engines, clutches, gearboxes etc etc that they get through.

And the new script

*edit* his 'time' was 1.42.2, compared to Hamilton's 1.42.9 & Vettel's 1.44.0

Thanks for spoiling it!

Interesting to note that all 3 of his laps where the exactly same time according to TG.

It's a scripted tv show my man, the 'times' are not real. That's from a close family friend who worked on the show.

They most definitely are real & you need to give your friend a slap for telling porkies.

Not representative at all mind you due to surface & weather conditions, they should get them all in on the same day if the wanted some proper comparison.

[SectorOne]

It became scripted after Vettel's laptime first time i read the word scripted from jonny was after vettels time and reports of Hamilton demolishing it.
They are quite obviously real times but due to different days, conditions, track improvements the times will vary more then normal

[lio007]

I'm wondering what RBR is going to build (there are some cranes in the back).
They are maybe for their new dynamic platform that will allow in-factory testing of the entire car-plus-engine package (like Ferrari ordered from AVL http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferra ... gy-report/).

[Jonnycraig]

They most definitely are real & you need to give your friend a slap for telling porkies.

Not representative at all mind you due to surface & weather conditions, they should get them all in on the same day if the wanted some proper comparison.

As said, it comes from a long time member of the shows production staff. He may be 'telling porkies', but I will, with due respect, take his word over 'rayden' off F1technical

It became scripted after Vettel's laptime first time i read the word scripted from jonny was after vettels time and reports of Hamilton demolishing it.
They are quite obviously real times but due to different days, conditions, track improvements the times will vary more then normal

Well yes, due to not having been posting on here when most of the F1 drivers have been on, I was unable to inform you of the fact that it was scripted until then.

As said before, the celebrity times are genuinely recorded unlike the F1 times, however they are not always recorded in a linear fashion due to scheduling of filming days, and with Dunsfold being an active runway, the runways undergo continuous maintenance and regular resurfacing and so as should be obvious, they are a bit of fun, albeit in my humble opinion, the SIARPC section is the least enjoyable bit of the show.

[SectorOne]

Well yes, due to not having been posting on here when most of the F1 drivers have been on, I was unable to inform you of the fact that it was scripted until then.

As said before, the celebrity times are genuinely recorded unlike the F1 times,

Sure...

Right now all you´ve said is one is scripted the other is not because of someone you know.
That´s not enough and seems more like you´re clinging on to some desperate opinion because the favorite is not at the top.

It literally would make no sense scripting the times unless you have an agenda where it being a British company would promote one of their F1 drivers, but it´s an Australian leading the sheets right now beating the current world champion.

the only scripted thing is your posts.

Edit: i think also that if your friend said that, you completely misunderstood him.
the show as we know is scripted, it kinda have to you know. But laptimes?
It literally makes no sense to script times in this way. Unless you have an intent of course.

Give him a call, let him explain in full detail what he did, how he knew it was scripted and WHY it was scripted.
I´m dying to hear that.

[Raleigh]

It does seem believable.

The celebrity times really aren't a big deal, whereas the F1 drivers...

All the times are measured on a stopwatch and then not told to the drivers until they do the interviews after, who is really going to know if they shave a second off someone's time? Plus, if a drivers time get beaten, gives them a reason to come back on the show and try for a new record.

Don't see any reason why they wouldn't do this for Ricciardo just because he's not British, he's pretty popular and he beat Vettel with some style, who is not at all liked by British fans

[Manoah2u]

It does seem believable.

The celebrity times really aren't a big deal, whereas the F1 drivers...

All the times are measured on a stopwatch and then not told to the drivers until they do the interviews after, who is really going to know if they shave a second off someone's time? Plus, if a drivers time get beaten, gives them a reason to come back on the show and try for a new record.

Don't see any reason why they wouldn't do this for Ricciardo just because he's not British, he's pretty popular and he beat Vettel with some style, who is not at all liked by British fans

you can betcha the F1 times are staged as can be. No top-driver wants to set a time in similar circumstances that ends up being worse than that of his 'opponents'. It's not good for Hamilton's image if he'd turn out to be 3 seconds slower to Vettel.
You can bet the drivers management and sponsors for starters would have a good chat with Topgear's presentors about this issue [surely one don't think they just get a personal invite and go about on their own to topgear?, remember the Hamilton drives senna's car? that required quite some organisation].

Since nobody wants to look bad by failing to beat their opponent, and this would be bad for the driver's image, their fans, and would be quite disappointing for the viewers, there is no doubt that every single current F1 driver participating will beat the current best F1 time on the top gear track.
The only exceptions would be former F1 driver, like putting Mansell or Barrichello there, and in heavy rain.
Taki Inoue would be the exception that they'd let beat them all by a good margin
they'd let Chandhok set a average time just to give it a look of realism.

Make no mistake, Top Gear is completely fake, from start to finish, every aspect of it.
It's not that big a deal because it's a show purely of simple cheap entertainment. But its in no way realistic.

[djos]

Mark Webber's first time was done on a soaking wet track, you could see how much that irked him and he got Clarkson to put Iirc BW for bloody wet on the time slip.

[SectorOne]

It does seem believable.

The celebrity times really aren't a big deal, whereas the F1 drivers...

All the times are measured on a stopwatch and then not told to the drivers until they do the interviews after, who is really going to know if they shave a second off someone's time? Plus, if a drivers time get beaten, gives them a reason to come back on the show and try for a new record.

Don't see any reason why they wouldn't do this for Ricciardo just because he's not British, he's pretty popular and he beat Vettel with some style, who is not at all liked by British fans

you can betcha the F1 times are staged as can be. No top-driver wants to set a time in similar circumstances that ends up being worse than that of his 'opponents'. It's not good for Hamilton's image if he'd turn out to be 3 seconds slower to Vettel.
You can bet the drivers management and sponsors for starters would have a good chat with Topgear's presentors about this issue [surely one don't think they just get a personal invite and go about on their own to topgear?, remember the Hamilton drives senna's car? that required quite some organisation].

Since nobody wants to look bad by failing to beat their opponent, and this would be bad for the driver's image, their fans, and would be quite disappointing for the viewers, there is no doubt that every single current F1 driver participating will beat the current best F1 time on the top gear track.
The only exceptions would be former F1 driver, like putting Mansell or Barrichello there, and in heavy rain.
Taki Inoue would be the exception that they'd let beat them all by a good margin
they'd let Chandhok set a average time just to give it a look of realism.

Make no mistake, Top Gear is completely fake, from start to finish, every aspect of it.
It's not that big a deal because it's a show purely of simple cheap entertainment. But its in no way realistic.

..right, thats why Ricciardo is 8 tenths faster then Hamilton around the track.
Maybe Hamiltons PR agency forgot to send Top Gear the memo.

And thats also why some drivers do ROC but i guess that whole thing is faked as well.
I mean what a disaster to not just lose out to fellow f1 drivers but touring car drivers, dtm drivers etc.

[Phil]

Maybe i missed something, but why exactly would being beaten, significantly or not, on a random track, under differing track conditions, in a *suzuki* be anything other than utterly irrelevant and purely for the sake of a bit of entertainment?

I might be able to believe that they might be a bit of lap time "fudging" going on, but purely fake? I think the risk would be too high for Topgear under the premise of what they are selling it to be. I really find it hard to believe that even the F1 drivers take these times anything other than as a bit of good fun.

[CBeck113]

Except maybe these guys:





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[SectorOne]

Maybe i missed something, but why exactly would being beaten, significantly or not, on a random track, under differing track conditions, in a *suzuki* be anything other than utterly irrelevant and purely for the sake of a bit of entertainment?

I might be able to believe that they might be a bit of lap time "fudging" going on, but purely fake? I think the risk would be too high for Topgear under the premise of what they are selling it to be. I really find it hard to believe that even the F1 drivers take these times anything other than as a bit of good fun.

I don´t think even fudging is going on.

The way i see it is this, F1 drivers will max out the car and the conditions every time (compared to average joe).
So when you change the conditions you get significantly different results.
Add British weather, improved tarmac and you got these incredibly wide results among drivers who are really just 2-3 tenths apart in a perfect world.

If you give them a Liana each and do the laps on the same day they would be separated by tenths, not seconds.

Looking at the celebrity times you have cases where a faster driver in slower conditions will get beaten by a slower driver in faster conditions. Have loads of celebrities come and join and you get a fairly tight list.

[Manoah2u]

It does seem believable.

The celebrity times really aren't a big deal, whereas the F1 drivers...

All the times are measured on a stopwatch and then not told to the drivers until they do the interviews after, who is really going to know if they shave a second off someone's time? Plus, if a drivers time get beaten, gives them a reason to come back on the show and try for a new record.

Don't see any reason why they wouldn't do this for Ricciardo just because he's not British, he's pretty popular and he beat Vettel with some style, who is not at all liked by British fans

you can betcha the F1 times are staged as can be. No top-driver wants to set a time in similar circumstances that ends up being worse than that of his 'opponents'. It's not good for Hamilton's image if he'd turn out to be 3 seconds slower to Vettel.
You can bet the drivers management and sponsors for starters would have a good chat with Topgear's presentors about this issue [surely one don't think they just get a personal invite and go about on their own to topgear?, remember the Hamilton drives senna's car? that required quite some organisation].

Since nobody wants to look bad by failing to beat their opponent, and this would be bad for the driver's image, their fans, and would be quite disappointing for the viewers, there is no doubt that every single current F1 driver participating will beat the current best F1 time on the top gear track.
The only exceptions would be former F1 driver, like putting Mansell or Barrichello there, and in heavy rain.
Taki Inoue would be the exception that they'd let beat them all by a good margin
they'd let Chandhok set a average time just to give it a look of realism.

Make no mistake, Top Gear is completely fake, from start to finish, every aspect of it.
It's not that big a deal because it's a show purely of simple cheap entertainment. But its in no way realistic.

..right, thats why Ricciardo is 8 tenths faster then Hamilton around the track.
Maybe Hamiltons PR agency forgot to send Top Gear the memo.

And thats also why some drivers do ROC but i guess that whole thing is faked as well.
I mean what a disaster to not just lose out to fellow f1 drivers but touring car drivers, dtm drivers etc.

ROC is not faked, it's a 'fun' event organised by the drivers themselves.
Randomly and for no reason grabbing ROC out of thin air is a useless argument here and serves no purpose.

The entire topgear show IS fake, from A to Z, or do you believe because one random TV programme is real thus all other shows how unlogic it may seem must be real too? Anyway, topgear = fake to the bone. That's the whole idea of the show, that's the 'spirit' of the show. Their reviews are quite frankly worthless. It's just entertainment showing some crazy exotic cars to car fans with a laugh and pretending to be serious. Perhaps once, topgear was more or less serious. That ship sailed long ago.

There is no disaster to losing to DTM races, but Topgear is pure show. Ricciardo can be 8 tenths faster than Hamilton for a million of reasons. Actually being a better driver than Hamilton IS one of the possibilities. However, it's in the spirit of top gear to fit into their viewing profile. Go ahead and re-run all episodes and see the 'code' devoloping. It's as fake as it gets, and there is zero reason why in all their faking, all their fakiness, they suddenly become serious and all religious with being totally honest and real with F1 laptimes. Hell no. It's part of the show.

[SectorOne]

ROC is not faked, it's a 'fun' event organised by the drivers themselves.
Randomly and for no reason grabbing ROC out of thin air is a useless argument here and serves no purpose.

It´s more serious then a Liana around a circuit because it´s actual competition where if you geat beaten by a DTM driver it will be written down in stone. There´s no excuses when you have the same car on the same day.


The ROC is a perfect example over why the F1 times are most likely real.
Because it makes ZERO SENSE to fake laptimes like that.

The entire topgear show IS fake, from A to Z, or do you believe because one random TV programme is real thus all other shows how unlogic it may seem must be real too? Anyway, topgear = fake to the bone. That's the whole idea of the show, that's the 'spirit' of the show. Their reviews are quite frankly worthless. It's just entertainment showing some crazy exotic cars to car fans with a laugh and pretending to be serious. Perhaps once, topgear was more or less serious. That ship sailed long ago.

Yes it´s a scripted show, except the laptimes people do on the show because it makes ZERO SENSE to fake those.

There is no disaster to losing to DTM races, but Topgear is pure show. Ricciardo can be 8 tenths faster than Hamilton for a million of reasons. Actually being a better driver than Hamilton IS one of the possibilities.

Again, makes zero sense to manipulate the times drivers put on the board.
Whether they drive against other F1 drivers or DTM/Rally drivers it does not matter.

Ricciardo beat Hamilton because 1, he´s potentially a faster driver by himself, but more importantly the conditions allowed him to go faster.

It´s no different then F1 teams running seconds faster in pre-season testing then what they do in the actual race in Spain.
They will all drive as fast as the conditions allow them too.


@Jonnycraig....made the call yet?

[djos]

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Ricciardo beat Hamilton because 1, he´s potentially a faster driver by himself, but more importantly the conditions allowed him to go faster.

and Webber beat Vettel because there was no blown diffuser on the Liana.