2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[GoranF1]

Mclaren using Toyota wind tunnel?
Or PeeWee smoking crack?

Yes they are, as they need to update their own

That was 2013

Still using Toyota Koln WT.

[amho]

"Honda will be least of McLaren's worries in F1 2017" - Alonso

Seems to me like Alonso isn't as confident as Boulier on the chassis side, not sure he believes that the chassis will be a world beater.

For two years mclaren people thought they have third best chassis, they were too proud, ignoring their weakness but with honda improvement it become clear that they are far behind with lack of traction, picky aero, lack of mechanical grip

[Thunder]

"Honda will be least of McLaren's worries in F1 2017" - Alonso

Seems to me like Alonso isn't as confident as Boulier on the chassis side, not sure he believes that the chassis will be a world beater.

For two years mclaren people thought they have third best chassis, they were too proud, ignoring their weakness but with honda improvement it become clear that they are far behind with lack of traction, picky aero, lack of mechanical grip

And now go ahead and read the actual Article, not just the Headline.

[Vasconia]

Anyway I guess Alonso is aware that the improvement of Honda´s power unit has shown that the supposed great chasis wan´t that good, or at least that its perfomance is pretty irregular which implies that the team was a Little bit lost.

[Andres125sx]

"Honda will be least of McLaren's worries in F1 2017" - Alonso

Seems to me like Alonso isn't as confident as Boulier on the chassis side, not sure he believes that the chassis will be a world beater.

You´re a bit evil-minded, aren´t you?

Any reason you assume he´s refering about posible chasis problems instead of thinking Alonso simply trust Honda?

I wouldn´t find it weird at all, if they´re dyno testing 17 PUs probably Alonso have a lot of info about next year PU

[Thunder]

Again, read the Article. He is in no way implying McLaren can't build a good Chassis. He simply states that no one knows what will be the absolute best solution for 2017 on the Chassis side. So that's a bigger worry than the PU.

Edit: For anyone not willing to search:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1472035319

[Joseki]

Usual chassis v engine debate based on false headlines...

[Vasconia]

Again, read the Article. He is in no way implying McLaren can't build a good Chassis. He simply states that no one knows what will be the absolute best solution for 2017 on the Chassis side. So that's a bigger worry than the PU.

Edit: For anyone not willing to search:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1472035319

With end of the token system I think that the PU will also be another element where teams can take better or worse decisions.

And about the chasis they need to build a great chasis, and its while since the last time they managed to do that.

[Thunder]

But the PU's are a known quantity with Years of On Track Experience. The new Aeo Regulations are not.

[Vasconia]

But the PU's are a known quantity with Years of On Track Experience. The new Aeo Regulations are not.

You are right but with a more freedom to develop the range of decisions is greater too. And as you have said experience is basic and Honda will be always behind other teams in this aspect. They need to take more risky decisions that for example Mercedes.

[mrluke]

Yes and no.

Mercedes have already implemented all of the "safe" decisions and are probably a fair way into making things work that only RBR can achieve.

Mclaren need to get to a car that performs consistently. They are always doing something "risky" in the hope that it is the golden bullet that wins them a championship. Octopus exhausts, U side pods, F-duct, Mushroom wishbones, Honda PU etc etc.

When their risky gamble doesn't work they call it a "transition" year, their next years car is then a "completely new concept" which is ultimately blamed as a handicap compared to the other teams "evolution" The year is then called a "transition" year and we repeat the cycle.

[bauc]

Yes and no.

Mercedes have already implemented all of the "safe" decisions and are probably a fair way into making things work that only RBR can achieve.

Mclaren need to get to a car that performs consistently. They are always doing something "risky" in the hope that it is the golden bullet that wins them a championship. Octopus exhausts, U side pods, F-duct, Mushroom wishbones, Honda PU etc etc.

When their risky gamble doesn't work they call it a "transition" year, their next years car is then a "completely new concept" which is ultimately blamed as a handicap compared to the other teams "evolution" The year is then called a "transition" year and we repeat the cycle.

I agree with most of your points, but don't forget that Mclaren going with HONDA was not risky, but it was the only way to avoid becoming new Wiliams or Force India (with all respect to those teams), where the customer team can almost never beat the Manufacturing team.

[mclaren111]

Yes and no.

Mercedes have already implemented all of the "safe" decisions and are probably a fair way into making things work that only RBR can achieve.

Mclaren need to get to a car that performs consistently. They are always doing something "risky" in the hope that it is the golden bullet that wins them a championship. Octopus exhausts, U side pods, F-duct, Mushroom wishbones, Honda PU etc etc.

When their risky gamble doesn't work they call it a "transition" year, their next years car is then a "completely new concept" which is ultimately blamed as a handicap compared to the other teams "evolution" The year is then called a "transition" year and we repeat the cycle.

NAILED IT !! SPOT ON !!! (SADLY)

Apparently this is to stop with PP arrival [-o< [-o< [-o<

[Pierce89]

Yes and no.

Mercedes have already implemented all of the "safe" decisions and are probably a fair way into making things work that only RBR can achieve.

Mclaren need to get to a car that performs consistently. They are always doing something "risky" in the hope that it is the golden bullet that wins them a championship. Octopus exhausts, U side pods, F-duct, Mushroom wishbones, Honda PU etc etc.

When their risky gamble doesn't work they call it a "transition" year, their next years car is then a "completely new concept" which is ultimately blamed as a handicap compared to the other teams "evolution" The year is then called a "transition" year and we repeat the cycle.

NAILED IT !! SPOT ON !!! (SADLY)

Apparently this is to stop with PP arrival [-o< [-o< [-o<

Guys. This has been said 1000 times at f1t but that was before 2015. We've moved on since then.

[foxivan]

Bad news for Mclaren. Looks like BP chose Reault, and Mclaren only gets the fuel and lubricant supply deal.

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2016/12 ... xxonmobil/