2016 Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team - Mercedes

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Phil wrote:Only just saw this. Is there a reason for this? Could this have to do with Lewis's engineer Jock Clear leaving Mercedes to Ferrari?
What Ted was mentioning on his notebook and Toto told, the garages were getting intensely split and they couldn't allow that to develop as it would lead to concealing of information that would hamper overall team's development. Hence, they decided to mix up the garages and that starts with chief mechanics' exchange.

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Mercedes mechanics using a hand gesture to inform their assigned driver initiate the Clutch Warm up procedure
https://streamable.com/gjsm

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Mark4211 wrote:Mercedes mechanics using a hand gesture to inform their assigned driver initiate the Clutch Warm up procedure
https://streamable.com/gjsm
The hand gesture has probably to do with the surrounding noise making it difficult to understand verbal language. And of course, radio comunication is restricted.
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Now they need to come up with a method to tell the clutch is to how, so they can adjust it, so as not to repeat Australia.
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I still don't get it really why the team wanted the crew being reshuffled. Argument was to keep everyone sharp as ever, but then come to think about it more, why would you change the formula of one side of the garage that has dominated as much as last season? What isn't broken shouldn't be fixed is what I think.

It's like in football when you keep rotating your line up of your team just to keep everyone sharp as ever. It wouldn't work.

I keep thinking that one side of the garage has been reshuffled in a way that crew members that had the lowest performance last season were kept and the lowest performance of the other side of the garage joined the team, but I know that doesn't sound right in the ear and I'd might come across as crazy then. :D

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It wasn't to keep everybody sharp. They shuffled the teams to get them mixed up. That way you prevent rivaly and hate between the two garages.

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You just can not read much into this shuffle. During Q in China we could really see nearly everybody working on Ham car and only a very small group left on Ros car. The same what happens when they change an engine or whatever.
Additionally the problems were quality problems, not a loose screw. So there is nothing to read into the shuffles in regard of Ham's problems this weekend..
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It has been 3 years for both the garages. Unlike the first year, the situation now has become a story of two camps hiding data that is slowly becoming hindrance to the development of the car. In these 3 years, there a are lot of bitter/sweet moments on each side of the garage that is laced with the emotions of win and loss. It is natural that each garage was trying to conceal some critical performance data to gain advantage over other, which would have become noticeable to the management and the best way to address it, is to mix them up. As part of that, chief mechanics of both drivers were swapped and then a few engineers from each garage.

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Does that mean that Rosberg and Hamilton also share data again as it has been in the past? One can look at other's data and insights and vice versa. There was a moment that both were trying to conceal data for example on FP1 or FP2 setting green/purple sectors and slowing down in some parts of the lap to set a lap that's a few tenths short going top.

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WaikeCU wrote:Does that mean that Rosberg and Hamilton also share data again as it has been in the past? One can look at other's data and insights and vice versa. There was a moment that both were trying to conceal data for example on FP1 or FP2 setting green/purple sectors and slowing down in some parts of the lap to set a lap that's a few tenths short going top.
As fas as I know data from both cars has been available to both drivers all the time (correct me if I'm wrong).

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Old qualification system helps Mercedes

So, the China strategy of Nico starting on more durable tyres is not one off. The Mercedes team is looking to repeat the China strategy in more of the upcoming races. The old qualifying is definitely a help in that regard and if they fall short on their first run in Q2, they can still go for a second run with the faster tyre. They are looking for strong and extended length for the first stint. It would be interesting what the real results are going to be, in case if they get a bad start and cars behind get ahead of them at turn 1.

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I'm very worried by the team prospects in the long term and I want to have other opinions about this matter. I'm seeing a great danger coming for Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team from what possibly awaits Daimler. There are real chanches that Daimler will be hit with huge fines for diesel cheating like Volkswagen. The U.S authorities ordered them to open an investigation, there are already individual allegations againts Daimler, and yesterday external laweyers and I.T specialists are searching at their facilities in Germany in documents and emails to find probes about cheating devices. It's getting really serious.
My question is if they are found quilty and hit with huge fines, what will happend with Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 team? They could really reduce the budget for motorsport and it will surely affect their dominant status in F1. What do you think?

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mclaren_mircea wrote:I'm very worried by the team prospects in the long term and I want to have other opinions about this matter. I'm seeing a great danger coming for Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team from what possibly awaits Daimler. There are real chanches that Daimler will be hit with huge fines for diesel cheating like Volkswagen. The U.S authorities ordered them to open an investigation, there are already individual allegations againts Daimler, and yesterday external laweyers and I.T specialists are searching at their facilities in Germany in documents and emails to find probes about cheating devices. It's getting really serious.
My question is if they are found quilty and hit with huge fines, what will happend with Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 team? They could really reduce the budget for motorsport and it will surely affect their dominant status in F1. What do you think?
Unless the fines bankrupt Daimler I cannot see them reducing their commitment to F1, especially while they are winning almost every race for three seasons straight. The marketing alone is worth a fortune, Toto Wolff said the 2014 Chinese Grand Prix alone was 'worth' $60m to them. That they were prepared to pay half of the 2015 German Grand Prix race fee ($12m) shows that they considered this an economically viable option and that F1 is providing a quantifiable marketing income for Mercedes. When you add prize money/tv money and technology sales to the marketing value perhaps the question isn't how much do Daimler spend on F1 but how much money do they make from it?
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Gaz. wrote:
mclaren_mircea wrote:I'm very worried by the team prospects in the long term and I want to have other opinions about this matter. I'm seeing a great danger coming for Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team from what possibly awaits Daimler. There are real chanches that Daimler will be hit with huge fines for diesel cheating like Volkswagen. The U.S authorities ordered them to open an investigation, there are already individual allegations againts Daimler, and yesterday external laweyers and I.T specialists are searching at their facilities in Germany in documents and emails to find probes about cheating devices. It's getting really serious.
My question is if they are found quilty and hit with huge fines, what will happend with Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 team? They could really reduce the budget for motorsport and it will surely affect their dominant status in F1. What do you think?
Unless the fines bankrupt Daimler I cannot see them reducing their commitment to F1, especially while they are winning almost every race for three seasons straight. The marketing alone is worth a fortune, Toto Wolff said the 2014 Chinese Grand Prix alone was 'worth' $60m to them. That they were prepared to pay half of the 2015 German Grand Prix race fee ($12m) shows that they considered this an economically viable option and that F1 is providing a quantifiable marketing income for Mercedes. When you add prize money/tv money and technology sales to the marketing value perhaps the question isn't how much do Daimler spend on F1 but how much money do they make from it?
I think it's more about yearly budget allocation. If they get a huge fine, I could only see all areas of Daimler will get a slight hit on budget. It's on us to determine what 'slight hit' means. I'd think it won't affect that much.