2016 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team - Ferrari

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May she rest in peace

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Rip..

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Rumors from Italy suggest that new aero kit is ready even before Melbourne (thx to hass partnership)but ferrari didnot want to introduce due to insufficient wind tunel data .most probably they will be introduced in next cpl of races and they will have enough data to prove that it is out from Marnello facility..

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Phil wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:Vettel was ...
That set he had ...

Now Vettel on new softs, wasn't that impressive IMO. He was doing consistent mid to high ~1.30 - 1.31.5x times between lap 37 (he pitted on 34/35 rememer?) until he closed the gap to Lewis. Lewis on quite old mediums (older than Rosbergs) was also driving in traffic for a substantial time. Yet he was able to retain a pretty consistent pace of 1.31-1.32 ...
Regarding the bold part, do you realize that he was managing the delta (saving tires for the final attack) to HAM to catch him about 3-4 laps before end of the race to be able attack (what he managed just right). If VET start pushing on the softs from the beginning he surly would be faster and close the gap sooner, but then the softs would be even much damaged that without the hard pushing...
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Phil wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:Vettel was on used SS and Rosberg was on brand new Mediums after about 5 laps of Vettel pushing the SS fell off and the mediums kept on trucking.....
That set he had on were the brand-new-unused SS he saved during Q3. He pitted on lap 13/14, hence by the time the race restarted after the red-flag, they were 3-5 laps old (lap 14 was an outlap, lap 17 the accident took place and slowed down the field considerably). Yes, Rosberg started the restart on never-used mediums at that point, but the big surprise was still how well that Mercedes kept up, on a tire that was two compounds harder and harder to warm up. Vettels tires were as good as they possibly could be. Vettel did his best lap on those tires on lap 24 - 6 laps after the race restarted and on tires that had done a total of 9~10 laps - a 1.29.951 - on average over that stint he was doing mid 1.30.xxx times. On lap 26, he started to drop consistently into the 1.31. He had driven out a gap of 3-4 seconds. Only on lap 30, after doing 16 laps on those tires did the times start to gradually move into the 1.32. where it remained until he pitted on lap 34.

Rosberg during the entire duration of this stint, was doing consistently somewhere between 1.30 and 1.32 times and continued to do that until the end of the GP, ending lap 57. Note, he did a 1:30.557 on lap 21 (vs Vettel low 1:30s), but the key point is, is that Rosberg was doing 1.30ties (high) around lap 44 too and again lap 51-52. Fantastic pace.

It's not that Vettels times weren't good - they were consistent with what you could expect given the laps he was doing at the start on a heavier car, also on SS tires - it's that the Mercedes pace on mediums was extraordinary, given the compound and the fact he did 39 laps on them.

Now Vettel on new softs, wasn't that impressive IMO. He was doing consistent mid to high ~1.30 - 1.31.5x times between lap 37 (he pitted on 34/35 rememer?) until he closed the gap to Lewis. Lewis on quite old mediums (older than Rosbergs) was also driving in traffic for a substantial time. Yet he was able to retain a pretty consistent pace of 1.31-1.32.

So perhaps before giving advice on using some statistics, I suggest you do the same and look at the actual data. Here's a good place to start:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ormation-5
There was absolutely nothing impressive or ominous about rosberg on mediums in clean air doing 1:31s . what i see is a Mercedes fan trying to convince everyone that Mercedes is untouchable.
Ferrari blows by mercedes at the start it must be because Mercedes had hot clutches even though the entire field did the same 2 formation laps
Hamilton cant pass the torro rosso its because of dirty air .. Vettel cant pass Hamilton at the end of the GP its because of the awesome pace Mercedes has on Mediums.... see a trend there? i do so we can agree to disagree and leave this alone : )

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I read on a Slovak site that Christian Horner said: "Ferrari helped fantastic start. We have seen it already during the pre-season tests, their starts were really strong." Unfortunately there is not the source link for the original...
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ferrarifire wrote:Rumors from Italy suggest that new aero kit is ready even before Melbourne (thx to hass partnership)but ferrari didnot want to introduce due to insufficient wind tunel data .most probably they will be introduced in next cpl of races and they will have enough data to prove that it is out from Marnello facility..
Are you implying that the aero kit has been proved with Haas?

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Vasconia wrote:
ferrarifire wrote:Rumors from Italy suggest that new aero kit is ready even before Melbourne (thx to hass partnership)but ferrari didnot want to introduce due to insufficient wind tunel data .most probably they will be introduced in next cpl of races and they will have enough data to prove that it is out from Marnello facility..
Are you implying that the aero kit has been checked with Haas?

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Will be interesting to see when will Ferrari bring new PU. Given the fact that both drivers will probably(still dont know if Seb's pu is usable) use 2nd of every component in China

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F1NAC wrote:Will be interesting to see when will Ferrari bring new PU. Given the fact that both drivers will probably(still dont know if Seb's pu is usable) use 2nd of every component in China
been reported that Arrivabene said that Vettels failure was a valve or injector and did not damage the engine.... we will find out in a couple days what the real reason is and if the engine is useable.
why would Kimi change his engine in China?

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yea but that was a hell of a smoke pouring out with sparks

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giantfan10 wrote:
F1NAC wrote:Will be interesting to see when will Ferrari bring new PU. Given the fact that both drivers will probably(still dont know if Seb's pu is usable) use 2nd of every component in China
been reported that Arrivabene said that Vettels failure was a valve or injector and did not damage the engine.... we will find out in a couple days what the real reason is and if the engine is useable.
why would Kimi change his engine in China?
that white smoke is oil being burned into the exhaust manifold, that most of the time is the following of something like Image
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Was interesting that Vettel said something along the lines of these issues being expected during testing but not now (when interviewed during the race on C4).

He seemed to be confirming that they have indeed been suffering reliability issues previously but thought they'd got on top them.

I wonder if Ferrari saw Mercedes Canada spec PU last year - at which point a token free update brought a lot of performance - and purposely pushed limits to beyond usual tolerances, thinking this a better strategy than being safe? Probably not so relevant post 2014 but a thought.

The 5 engine limit could be the saving grace here, if it allows them to bring forward planned engine reliability fix (if a problem truly exists) whilst still affording a feasible plan per subsequent PU?

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