2017 Red Bull Racing Team - Tag Heuer

[lio007]

Maybe a bit OT, but saw right now "sport und talk" on ServusTV with Dr. Marko and Dr. Schöggl (AVL). There were some videoshots from a full-chassis-dyno linked to a simulator, looked quite impressive. There were some talk about that in the past, but I've never seen any pictures or videos until now. You can test the chassis with gearbox & powerunit & suspension. Looks really cool.

RBR is supposed to have such a full-chassis-dyno.

[FrukostScones]

AMUS mentioned it yesterday
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... t=&act=url

Race track in the lab

But why should Red Bull take the risk of using any trick untested at the start of the season? It would have been possible to move the experiment to the last test day. But waiting for the Friday in Melbourne steals the opponents 14 days to copy a supposed trick. If it is transferable to other cars at all. Especially at the Mercedes, which, with its complexity, is the exact opposite of the Red Bull philosophy.

Red Bull can be the only team to keep new parts to the last minute. Theoretically, the car would no longer have to go to the race track to try out upgrades. Red Bull has moved the test track to the lab. The 360-degree simulator is connected to the best test bench available. On the whole car moves as the driver drives in the simulator. The engine and gearbox react to the virtual accelerator pedal and the pilot commands of the pilot.

[AnthonyG]

This doesn't make sense. An aero test is impossible since they can't use a full model and the wind tunnel time is limited. If they use it to test a "trick" mechanical part, there's no reason no to do it on track, since competitors can't see what you're using.

[FrukostScones]

This doesn't make sense. An aero test is impossible since they can't use a full model and the wind tunnel time is limited. If they use it to test a "trick" mechanical part, there's no reason no to do it on track, since competitors can't see what you're using.

yes, it just overdramatization by AMUS , and there probably will be no "trick" coming for Melbourne anyway.

[Blackout]

Hey Juzh,
As a long time acolyte of RBR, do you believe they'll be 3rd best in Melbourne, or, do you think they'll bolt on over a seconds worth of downforce like ALOT of folks be seem to believe?

That is why Mercedes pulls 5 to 7 tenths in his analyzes from the Red Bull roundabouts. "They could drive that much faster when they turn the engine up.
The Mercedes analysts from Mercedes were careful. "The Renault engine has really good performance.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 32406.html

[Blackout]

Maybe a bit OT, but saw right now "sport und talk" on ServusTV with Dr. Marko and Dr. Schöggl (AVL). There were some videoshots from a full-chassis-dyno linked to a simulator, looked quite impressive. There were some talk about that in the past, but I've never seen any pictures or videos until now. You can test the chassis with gearbox & powerunit & suspension. Looks really cool.

RBR is supposed to have such a full-chassis-dyno.

No screenshots

https://www.servustv.com/at/Medien/Spor ... angar-7133 watchable only in austria?

[Sonador]

"I wish we were sandbagging a bit more," laughed Ricciardo.

"Today we weren't quick. I would say day one of this week's test we looked more competitive, probably within two or three tenths of the pace, but today it was a lot more.

"I thought that we'd come a fair way after day three in the car, for me, and then day four in the car, for me, today, but it felt like we probably didn't go that extra step forward.

"I think the progress was good and then today we got a little bit confused, with some set-up things. Hopefully we have some answers tonight."

http://en.f1i.com/news/261347-ricciardo ... e-day.html

So far the RB13 seems quite disappointing. It isn't the aero monster we had all come to expect. Hopefully they'll catch Mercedes and Ferrari throughout the season, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Do you think that RB maybe wants/forced to do a Williams 2014 in 2017?
And once they have the PU power go mental on the aero midseason?

I am so curious come Spain how everything has evolved.

[ME4ME]

Do you think that RB maybe wants/forced to do a Williams 2014 in 2017?
And once they have the PU power go mental on the aero midseason?

I am so curious come Spain how everything has evolved.

I don't think they will do anything shocking at all to be honest. Just continuesly putting on small upgrades onto the car while also getting more and more power from Renault. I do expect RB to have a slow start to the season, just like in 2012 and 2014 when they in all honesty weren't that quick. But in the end, Red Bull's in-season development always comes through. Mercedes can match that, Ferrari have yet to prove it.

[Phil]

I honestly would be careful of underestimating RB. Assuming they have a somewhat competitive engine, i expect them to be very strong, even if testing did not give this impression.

[shady]

Thats the thing... testing did give that impression.

[Pierce89]

Thats the thing... testing did give that impression.

Red Bull's testing pace impressed you, even though two other cars were clearly faster?

[shady]

Very much so, yes. It's seems too well choreographed; everything is unassuming.. the car, the drivers, the engineers, the times... All very much 'hey we're here, don't mind us..' The data is there, yes I'm not refuting it, of course.. but there's something subversive wrt the simple appearance belying the complexity of the bodywork. The fact that the philosophy can be so vastly different yet remain in touch with the other two big teams ATM, should be telling.

I don't think the Melbourne car will be drastically different either.. 'aesthetically' I think we will see a lot new parts with little refinements..

[Pierce89]

Very much so, yes. It's seems too well choreographed; everything is unassuming.. the car, the drivers, the engineers, the times... All very much 'hey we're here, don't mind us..' The data is there, yes I'm not refuting it, of course.. but there's something subversive wrt the simple appearance belying the complexity of the bodywork. The fact that the philosophy can be so vastly different yet remain in touch with the other two big teams ATM, should be telling.

I don't think the Melbourne car will be drastically different either.. 'aesthetically' I think we will see a lot new parts with little refinements..

I'm positive Red Bull has a lot of downforce to bolt on, problem is, everyone else is still getting huge chunks of downforce in their development, too.

[shady]

yeah I think they are the darkhorse but I also agree, thats what makes this so exciting! The unknown.. Im willing to wait and see.

[Godius]

Very much so, yes. It's seems too well choreographed; everything is unassuming.. the car, the drivers, the engineers, the times... All very much 'hey we're here, don't mind us..' The data is there, yes I'm not refuting it, of course.. but there's something subversive wrt the simple appearance belying the complexity of the bodywork. The fact that the philosophy can be so vastly different yet remain in touch with the other two big teams ATM, should be telling.

I don't think the Melbourne car will be drastically different either.. 'aesthetically' I think we will see a lot new parts with little refinements..

I'm positive Red Bull has a lot of downforce to bolt on, problem is, everyone else is still getting huge chunks of downforce in their development, too.

I don't think that the guys at Milton Keynes are worried about the aero developments of their competitors at all but rather about the Power Unit upgrades Ferrari and Mercedes are going to bring during the season.