2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Soichiro]

Right at the Start of the PC Eric confirms the Gearbox failure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tupEN8TdupU

I'm actually a bit relieved.

Yeah me to....the new PU is reaible and the gap to Mercedes has been reduced from 90hp to 81.

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[vantage87]

Honda tested 'Spec 3' engine with Alonso
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-h ... ku-922148/

"With Alonso and Stoffel Vandoorne running more similar downforce levels in FP2, the main speed trap in Baku showed the new power unit at 327km/h, with Vandoorne getting just up to 312 km/h with the ‘Spec 2’ version."
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"Despite the clear benefit the ‘Spec 3’ engine has delivered, however, Alonso will revert to the old version of the power unit from Saturday"
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"Switching power units will also allow Honda to check on any potential reliability issues that may have come up after initial running – with the ‘Spec 3’ then expected to return at the Austrian Grand Prix."


printscreen FP2 - finish line speed km/h
Alonso 342,4 km/h
Vandoorne 319,7 km/h

[Phil]

30hp or not, that's quite a big gap considering drag and everything which also makes it quite promising IMO. Assuming two vmax figures were reached under similar circumstances (no tow).

[vantage87]

YUSUKE HASEGAWA, Honda R&D Co. Ltd Head of F1 Project & Chief Engineer

“We came to Baku armed with an update for Fernando’s PU, which we ran during both practice sessions today. Working through our programme in accordance with today’s schedule, I can confirm that we were able to see the effectiveness of the update in the data.

“It was disappointing that Fernando had to stop the car during FP2, and unfortunately for us it was before doing his timed lap, but we still saw certain progress with the power of the PU. Overall, I regard today as positive – we didn’t have any major issues with the new spec PU, and I feel that we’ve taken an encouraging step forward.

[vantage87]

more:
https://twitter.com/hlawiczka

[Redragon]

It is not the first time that this year the gearbox brakes and it is Honda engine the first one be blamed for the failure

[cplchanb]

It is not the first time that this year the gearbox brakes and it is Honda engine the first one be blamed for the failure

The same thing happened to Alonso in Canada at the same fp

[RedNEO]

It is not the first time that this year the gearbox brakes and it is Honda engine the first one be blamed for the failure

How many times has the Honda engine broke? A lot more than the gearbox so it's pretty easy to understand why people would think it's the engine especially with all that smoke. Let's not forget Honda have already gone through there entire engine allocation and we are not even half way through the season

[RedNEO]

more:
https://twitter.com/hlawiczka

https://preview.ibb.co/dFOQJQ/spped3.png

There's a couple of reasons for this difference. One unit is fully turned up because it's testing the new update and one is turned down because it's the older spec. And we are comparing a fully turned up Honda engine to the teams who haven't even turned the wick up on there's because it's Friday. The fact they won't run it again shows they still are not confident on reliability either.

[HPD]

more:
https://twitter.com/hlawiczka

https://preview.ibb.co/dFOQJQ/spped3.png

There's a couple of reasons for this difference. One unit is fully turned up because it's testing the new update and one is turned down because it's the older spec. And we are comparing a fully turned up Honda engine to the teams who haven't even turned the wick up on there's because it's Friday. The fact they won't run it again shows they still are not confident on reliability either.

Thank you very much!! Master engineer honda!! Are things okay at the factory? For when the next update?

[Phil]

It is not the first time that this year the gearbox brakes and it is Honda engine the first one be blamed for the failure

How many times has the Honda engine broke? A lot more than the gearbox so it's pretty easy to understand why people would think it's the engine especially with all that smoke. Let's not forget Honda have already gone through there entire engine allocation and we are not even half way through the season

I get your point, but given the state they are in, would you rather they not bring a new spec every single race and do as many tests possible? Its logical that they are above the allowed threshold of allowed engines....

[etusch]

more:
https://twitter.com/hlawiczka

https://preview.ibb.co/dFOQJQ/spped3.png

There's a couple of reasons for this difference. One unit is fully turned up because it's testing the new update and one is turned down because it's the older spec. And we are comparing a fully turned up Honda engine to the teams who haven't even turned the wick up on there's because it's Friday. The fact they won't run it again shows they still are not confident on reliability either.

Can you give the link where you read that they will not use this PU anymore?

[RedNEO]

It is not the first time that this year the gearbox brakes and it is Honda engine the first one be blamed for the failure

How many times has the Honda engine broke? A lot more than the gearbox so it's pretty easy to understand why people would think it's the engine especially with all that smoke. Let's not forget Honda have already gone through there entire engine allocation and we are not even half way through the season

I get your point, but given the state they are in, would you rather they not bring a new spec every single race and do as many tests possible? Its logical that they are above the allowed threshold of allowed engines....

It would be logical if those failures came with big performance jumps maybe. But it's currently still a thirsty underpowered and unreliable engine. It started off worse than last years engine and in both power and reliability. It's only taken 4 engines to get back up to that sub-bar level again. But let's applaud that and the fact this engine has helped McLaren to the bottom of the championship. Bravo

[RedNEO]

more:
https://twitter.com/hlawiczka

https://preview.ibb.co/dFOQJQ/spped3.png

There's a couple of reasons for this difference. One unit is fully turned up because it's testing the new update and one is turned down because it's the older spec. And we are comparing a fully turned up Honda engine to the teams who haven't even turned the wick up on there's because it's Friday. The fact they won't run it again shows they still are not confident on reliability either.

Can you give the link where you read that they will not use this PU anymore?

Comon man, used again this weekend.

[Sayeman]

How many times has the Honda engine broke? A lot more than the gearbox so it's pretty easy to understand why people would think it's the engine especially with all that smoke. Let's not forget Honda have already gone through there entire engine allocation and we are not even half way through the season

I get your point, but given the state they are in, would you rather they not bring a new spec every single race and do as many tests possible? Its logical that they are above the allowed threshold of allowed engines....

It would be logical if those failures came with big performance jumps maybe. But it's currently still a thirsty underpowered and unreliable engine. It started off worse than last years engine and in both power and reliability. It's only taken 4 engines to get back up to that sub-bar level again. But let's applaud that and the fact this engine has helped McLaren to the bottom of the championship. Bravo

Looks like you are quite keen to see the back of Honda, aren't u? The improvement isn't small and Honda should be applauded for that.