Mercedes abyss - 2014 & Ciro's Comedian Backalley

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Manoah2u
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J.A.W. wrote:"...German mark would contribute only 25% of the budget."?
But don't they use/own the Euro - these days?
Mark = brand :wink:

German Marque. Mercedes = German.

It's not about currency. It's about the 'mark'. The Italian mark Ferrari. The Spanish mark Seat. etc. :wink:

It's a auto-translation of an Italian page. usually google/whatever doesn't really use the most correct words as translation.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

J.A.W.
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Oh ok.. Ta.
Marque is correct in English too..
"Mark" in vehicle usage is generally accorded to designation of sub-type..
..& often shortened to Mk.. ..Jaguar Mk2..
"Well, we knocked the bastard off!"

Ed Hilary on being 1st to top Mt Everest,
(& 1st to do a surface traverse across Antarctica,
in good Kiwi style - riding a Massey Ferguson farm
tractor - with a few extemporised mod's to hack the task).

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Ciro Pabón
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Miguel wrote:Starts with C, ends with E. And someone told me locals have some powder substitute instead of the real thing, because that's all for exports. We're obviously talking about coffee, right?
Hi, Miguel!

No, it's not. If you analyze the URL of the (twice failed!) image posted by Xpensive you'll find is a picture claiming that Escobar spent a lot of money on rubber bands for wads of cash

X couldn't post this image because... I don't know
My guess is that he probably uses a "luxury PC" AND does not ask for help from his son, who is busy chasing next door girls

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Unfortunately in the last years Colombia is being displaced by Perú as the main producer of cocaine (the embarrassment!) and also coffee is in a slump.

Both commodities are dirt cheap, you lucky bastards.

Also, no, cocaine is purer than ever. Check this graph from ACLU:

Cocaine is becoming not economically viable... Rodríguez Orejuela brothers are suffering as much as Lehman brothers! The Mexicans has displaced them
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Reading about Mercedes "abyss" you wonder if traffickers should buy an F1 team...

Of course, the would be barely able to do it.

The business has go down from perhaps 7.000 US millions in times of Escobar to barely 1.000 millions now. This means that 500 dollars of rubber bands are enough these days...
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If Mercedes invests 480 millions per year, this means that all cartels could buy only two teams like that.

It shows that it's much better to sell Mercedes than coke.

Probably (judging from the previous images) Mercedes cars are more addictive.

So, I seriously propose that next thread should talk about cocaine abyss... :)

My solution: investing in ads showing that coke is a luxury for the chosen few!

Mercedes, Puma and coke, for the man that has everything, including a warrant
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xpensive
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Ciro Pabón wrote: ...
My guess is that he probably uses a "luxury PC" AND does not ask for help from his son, who is busy chasing next door girls[/i]
...
Mmm..I suspected this for a long time, Microsoft or Google has installed some sort of Ciro/Coce/Porn filter on my Zenbook.

But don't get high on your own supply!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xVp1mauGnU
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"

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Both Emperor-God of Nippon, Hirohito..
& the Pope of God - used armoured M-Bs for transport..
So perhaps some blessings from above were part of the deal.. ..to balance all the dirty dealers..

That is, if you don't count the above listed two.. ..in that category..
"Well, we knocked the bastard off!"

Ed Hilary on being 1st to top Mt Everest,
(& 1st to do a surface traverse across Antarctica,
in good Kiwi style - riding a Massey Ferguson farm
tractor - with a few extemporised mod's to hack the task).

i70q7m7ghw
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What on earth is going on?

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turbof1
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Yeah even though this topic already was created as dumphouse, I think it got a little bit too crazy.

I moved the topic to the off topic chat, and slightly altered the topic.
#AeroFrodo

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GitanesBlondes
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I appreciate the time you took to compose that post Ciro...and yes I did read through your link. ;)

The problem with the 8 P's and Formula 1 is that ratings and attendance are slipping globally in spite of your claim that F1 meets each one of the P's. It also would assume F1 as a brand has something to sell. What is it they are selling? Auto racing?

While they are still quite high relative to other things, don't you think that the prestige of F1 in 2014 is much less than it was even 15 years ago? Declining viewership would indicate what they are selling isn't really selling well.

As xpensive pointed out, there is more than one approach to marketing these days, which is a good thing because it means people are willing to come up with new ideas. ;)

But marketing is also at it's most effective when it is succinct, and to the point, or it feels fresh.

Repetition works, but it can also have the opposite effect where the repetitiveness eventually turns the product/products/company into white noise where the target doesn't care anymore about the product. Everything has a bigger impact when fresh, as opposed to redundant. It's why smartphone manufacturers are constantly releasing new phones year after year...people want to feel like things progress even if they're set in their old ways.

Also if you treat everything like a checklist, it doesn't exactly adapt yourself to what customers want. Ex-GM Chairman Bob Lutz talked about a VP I believe it was who said he met every internal metric that GM had at the time on one of the cars they came up with. He said he was the first person to get all greens on the checklist, and Lutz asked him why isn't the car selling? Too much of a disconnect between the internal side and the public.

As it relates to Formula 1, you see this playing out where the disconnect between F1/FOM/FIA and the fans is tremendous. Fan input doesn't really matter...or I should say it only matters if the extortion scheme being run by Ecclestone is being threatened.

Mercedes were sold on the idea of sponsorship by the former group as a massive benefit I'm certain by Brawn and Haug. People say well if it wasn't a benefit, they wouldn't be there. That's not really true as you can have very bad ideas about what constitutes as "good" exposure if you aren't in tune with the public perception. Vodafone decided being associated with F1 in it's present incarnation was not worth the price to be linked to people like Ecclestone. Daimler on the other hand just turns their head...which is fitting given their rich association as a symbol of power for despots and dictators alike.
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JMGV196 I apologise, but, in my opinion, there is other way of the decision of a question.

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Most car manufacturers sponsor motorsport, so we can't single out Merc on that.

As for F1 viewers, Bernie is getting higher TV revenue thanks to the expansion in a Middle East and Asia. Those would be prime growth markets for Merc. The aspiring middle classes in China accumulating bling and glamour are worth far more to Merc than traditional F1 petrol heads.

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Dictators do use non MB cars too:

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GitanesBlondes
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Richard wrote:Most car manufacturers sponsor motorsport, so we can't single out Merc on that.

As for F1 viewers, Bernie is getting higher TV revenue thanks to the expansion in a Middle East and Asia. Those would be prime growth markets for Merc. The aspiring middle classes in China accumulating bling and glamour are worth far more to Merc than traditional F1 petrol heads.
Except those manufacturers aren't pandering to a shrinking audience in a motorsport that is slowly sliding into irrelevance.
"I don't want to make friends with anybody. I don't give a sh*t for fame. I just want to win." -Nelson Piquet