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Post Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:02 pm

axle wrote:Erm, not wishing to take away from Scarbs, but surely the line drawings are computer aided. ;)

I too am enjoying the updates on Twitter.



You are taking away :( The ability to use the right tools for the job is more impressive that sitting there like an idiot tracing lines with Corel Draw for hours.

So I guess I should sign up for twitter now, just cuz. The use is to follow people that are worth following. Nobody needs to follow me for updates to my daily underwear color or where my cat happens to be.

Twitter is starting to show itself as useful, although still a narcissist's dream.

Now if I could just get this poster of him on my wall autographed........

J/K Scarbs, but I want to heap on a bit of praise as well. Informed, on point, and straight up intelligent.

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Post Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:06 am

The posts on there so far seem sensible, which is completely different to what most people post at this time of the season.

I won't divulge if the facts are correct about various parts but it's not a million mile away.
A slight point about the rear wing by Renault, the 'W' shape doesn't make it a patricularly good wing for all situations. A wing section like the Renault changes the loading over the wing span, reducing in some areas and increasing in others, very often the net result is very similar to a more conventional section. Generally the raised areas tend to see a reduction in overall mass flow because it cascades down to the lower areas. It's possible to be clever by changing the camber of each section with this type of wing but it depends how much Renault can afford to develop the wing relative to the gains they get.

Another important thing to remember is, we each develop our cars differently with different objectives in mind, often trying to improve on last years bad-points or sometimes a complete re-think. But for sure in most instnaces other people's parts bolted on to any car don't work.
For example the Mclaren diffuser could be better than say the Virgin one but it the local flow dynamics on the Virgin car is not right, it will not work. Personaly I can't see them being able to achieve a high enough flow rate through the enlarged central channel, this could also kill off the effectiveness of the lower rear wing element, but perhaps they have a far superior flow rate, although I don't believe this is possible within the current rules.
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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:10 pm

Giblet wrote:
axle wrote:Erm, not wishing to take away from Scarbs, but surely the line drawings are computer aided. ;)

I too am enjoying the updates on Twitter.



You are taking away :( The ability to use the right tools for the job is more impressive that sitting there like an idiot tracing lines with Corel Draw for hours.


If I'm wrong and it's free hand then fair play but the speed of Craigs posts "suggest" otherwise. It takes nothing away from the information that's delivered. That's fantastic. I'm disappointed Autosport no longer appear to be publishing Craigs work, but hope he is able to carry on funding his passion.

I use twitter as a sort of RSS feed. I follow, Claire Williams, Jon Noble, Scarbs, Jake Humphrey, Radio5Live, James Allen, Autosport, GPUpdate, Sniff Petrol, Joe Saward, F1-Prophet (not sure on his/her connection to the sport, TheFifthDriver, TheRealJB, Formula1.com, Lee McKenzie, Racecar Engineering...
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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:17 pm

axle wrote:
Giblet wrote:
axle wrote:Erm, not wishing to take away from Scarbs, but surely the line drawings are computer aided. ;)

I too am enjoying the updates on Twitter.



You are taking away :( The ability to use the right tools for the job is more impressive that sitting there like an idiot tracing lines with Corel Draw for hours.


If I'm wrong and it's free hand then fair play but the speed of Craigs posts "suggest" otherwise. It takes nothing away from the information that's delivered. That's fantastic. I'm disappointed Autosport no longer appear to be publishing Craigs work, but hope he is able to carry on funding his passion.

I use twitter as a sort of RSS feed. I follow, Claire Williams, Jon Noble, Scarbs, Jake Humphrey, Radio5Live, James Allen, Autosport, GPUpdate, Sniff Petrol, Joe Saward, F1-Prophet (not sure on his/her connection to the sport, TheFifthDriver, TheRealJB, Formula1.com, Lee McKenzie, Racecar Engineering...


If he uses a tool to line trace the images that is SMART. I don't understand what you are insinuating. It's fine either way he does it. He doesn't even have to do it, but he does to make it more clear.

If he doesn't trace them, and uses a plugin in PS or something, that is SMART. I don't get what you are alluding to. It's fair play either way. He is not trying to pull a fast one, and signing these as his own illustrations obviously.
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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:00 pm

giblet, axle, I think there's a non-argument between you two. :wink:
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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:01 pm

Giblet wrote:If he uses a tool to line trace the images that is SMART. I don't understand what you are insinuating. It's fine either way he does it. He doesn't even have to do it, but he does to make it more clear.

If he doesn't trace them, and uses a plugin in PS or something, that is SMART. I don't get what you are alluding to. It's fair play either way. He is not trying to pull a fast one, and signing these as his own illustrations obviously.


Right... I think you took my comments all wrong. People mentioned sketching and freehand etc etc. I was only setting *them* back on course...moving on...
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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:01 pm

jddh1 wrote:giblet, axle, I think there's a non-argument between you two. :wink:


Tell me about it!
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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:35 pm

To help clear things up.

I use adobe illustrator to 'draw' the cars. I start from scratch based on several photos and my knowledge to complete all the detail not visible in the base image. I don't use a plug in to bitmap the image as Fillisetti does, and only Piola freehands the drawings nowadays.

I used to freehand draw the cars, but the hassle of then scanning and photoshopping the colours was too much. the net result was an image much scruffier and less easier to scale between web and magazine resolution.

I've been doing this for may be ten years now. But it still takes me about 1-2 hours to line draw the car, depending the completeness and detail required. Adding full colour and logos adds about another hour or so to the process.


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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:50 pm

Yeah I jumped the gun a bit there, I thought something that was not.

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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:52 pm

I was commenting high quality of Scarbs' drawings while taking with Tomba the other day, since I knew they can't be made using simple effect/filter but done manually on a comp. Knowing that Scarbs has regular job, it made me wonder when he gets the time to make them all, since each takes at least an hour or two.
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Post Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:03 pm

I have a series of blue prints I downloaded, and have been experimenting with Sketchup where you trace each view, and then extrude it. You then line all of them up on a central point, and intersect the models.

After the intersection, you just erase all the bits past the center, and up with a pretty good 3d version of what you were tracing.

BUT... sometimes you get lost in the tracing, and realize you have killed an hour, for very little reward.
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