Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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It is twin cooled too. Both air intercooled in the back, and water intercooled in the front.
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It's the mullet of intercooler setups.
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godlameroso wrote:It's the mullet of intercooler setups.
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godlameroso wrote:It's the mullet of intercooler setups.
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hard too understand but Ferrari trying to use a new material and way of manufacturing for the pistons...

it.motorsport.com

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... t=&act=url
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maybe a native speaker could tell more...
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FrukostScones wrote:hard too understand but Ferrari trying to use a new material and way of manufacturing for the pistons...

it.motorsport.com

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... t=&act=url
:?:

maybe a native speaker could tell more...
It's not a new material, but steel, instead of aluminium. Just in a hollow honeycomb structure. Which will make it as light or lighter than alu, but more resilient. Only possible with 3D printing.

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Aluminium alloys are lighter than steel allows, but they have less ability to resist deformation and not break in extreme temperatures. Extra weight in moving parts like pistons is a big issue, so the focus has been on finding a solution that performs better and has more reliability.

To help its quest in finding the right alloy, Maranello engineers are evaluating the latest 3D printing technologies (known in the industry as Additive Manufacturing).

Using this technique allows engineers to build up thin layers on material one at a time, so it is possible to create complex shapes that have not been possible before using traditional casting and machining methods.

The degree of freedom that comes from 3D Printing, allied to the speed of production, has opened up a new frontier of design development for something that was once limited to prototyping plastic parts for wind tunnel models.

The use of materials like steel alloys – which in normal casting processes would be unsuitable for the production of an F1 piston – can now be considered because you no longer have to manufacture full surfaces. Honeycomb designs are possible.

Such honeycomb concepts bring the advantage of strength without the drawback of weight.
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Sounds awesome but can such a 3d printed piston withstand the incredible forces and temperatures of an F1 engine?
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It should in theory be beneficial to have a mandated minimum piston weight. You have a 300g target, instead of letting costs spiral out of control in order to manufacture a piston that's a few grams lighter. If they can make a 300g steel alloy piston that would be a huge game changer.
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Blackout wrote:Sounds awesome but can such a 3d printed piston withstand the incredible forces and temperatures of an F1 engine?
A minimum weight would not preclude optimising the strength or durability of the piston, nor its weight distribution. Given vernacular, I can't be sure if they mean piston head or connecting rod when they say "piston."

I agree with you though, durability does seem like an issue. These are usually machined or forged parts. A purely 3D printed part seems unlikely, but a hybrid seems feasible—3D print the core, then bond it to a machined or forged skirt and cap. Same would go for a conrod.

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A big part of this too might be lubrication & oil cooling. Pourous or channeled interiors in the piston & conrod could connect the various oil passages, allowing oil to be conveyed directly to the piston head. A continuous flow of pressurized oil through the piston seems like it would be ideal for keeping the crown cool, compared to what could be achieved through oil jets alone.

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Blackout wrote:Sounds awesome but can such a 3d printed piston withstand the incredible forces and temperatures of an F1 engine?
It's an industrial process, so the answer is yes with the required development and testing.
This is the process in action (no sound) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwtWg3_cZ60
This is probably relevant to F1, GE Aviation video about the process from 2013 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0SXlkrmzyw

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That a process is industrial or not doesn't really tell us about the qualities of the end product. 'Industrial' usually only refers to activities associated with manufacturing products. From pistons to marshmallows. Both industrial products, but not interchangeable. :)

I'm not a turbine expert but I think even in that example the demands are quite different to a piston working against pressures of 400+ bar. A turbine blade may operate within similar high temps & pressures, but it is not subjected to the same sort of shocks & loads that a piston sees. Perhaps someone else can explain this more eloquently than I can...

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godlameroso wrote:It should in theory be beneficial to have a mandated minimum piston weight. You have a 300g target, instead of letting costs spiral out of control in order to manufacture a piston that's a few grams lighter. If they can make a 300g steel alloy piston that would be a huge game changer.
I take it you are referring to this?

5.4.4 The weight of a piston (with piston-pin, piston-pin retainers and piston rings) may not be less than 300g.
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Yes.
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