Life after the engine freeze...

[gcdugas]

Red Bull switched to the Renault unit because of cooling reasons (the Ferrari engine apparently runs hotter) and they said there was no performance difference between the two.

Also, in 2006, the Renault and Ferrari engines were the two most powerful and the Mercedes was lacking (it just couldn't rev). So, how did Renault lose out so badly?

Renault had the best LC and TC by a large margin. It would soften the power exiting corners electronically. The engine was tuned for more peak power with a dependence upon the electronics to mitigate the peakiness.

The std ECU inhibits them more. It sucks. Spec anything is against the spirit of F1. Lets them have 20 cylinders that are oval if they want. And any configuration they want, 90 degree, 180 degree boxer, inline etc. And why the spec'd alloys, overall weight, CG etc.? Max sucks turds!

And the freeze? All the teams had just over a year to develop their engines before the freeze. Remember that Honda rushed to get out its second generation V8 before the homologation date? The teams never saw the freeze coming when they first were making their v8s. It was a hasty after thought rammed through by Furer Max.

[gcdugas]

By design, the V8s are no less complex nor expensive than the V10s they replaced. So, the FIAs motive was not cost cutting it must have been performance limiting. Still, lap times are very comparable to the V10 days so we shouldn't fuss too much (this year laps are competing with 2005 times and have already overtaken the 2003 times).

That's funny! I thought Max rammed the V-8s down the teams' throats under the "safety clause" (and subsequently the freeze) because according to Concorde and the governing documents of F1, changes like this must be implemented through the TWG and the teams.

Don't you know that spec'd CG, spec'd mass, spec'd Vee angle, spec'd alloys, spec's camshaft locations and bore centers all have something to do with "safety"?

Let's admit it, Max is a N@z! tyrant pig that cares not a bit about rules that limit his power but whenever he wants he bludgeons the teams draconian fines and arbitrary rulings such as a mass damper being a "movable aero device" and tyre ovens (Ferrari '05) being blankets. When he goes it will be a great day for F1. And cost reduction will be the next excuse the FIA uses to ruin F1. Open everything up and let the engineers loose!

[pipex]

Hi!,
i think this is pretty interesting
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080730101948.shtml
that could explain why Toro Rosso is looking good now in comparation to RBR. That seems logical according the staff reduction at Renault in Viry-Chatillon.

Early this year Toyota engine director Luca Marmorini said that Toyota played with some reliability constraints in order to enhance the performance of their engine, maybe this is something related.

bye

[elmerfud]

A 1.2 litre 4 cyl boxer with 2 tiny turbos for each bank would be sweet, would really make the chassis guy scratch there head though.
Maybe allow completely new chassis concepts so engines can be packaged integral.

[WhiteBlue]

Ilmor, Cosworth, Mecachrome, Zytek and Judd have participated in the bid for F1 engines. Auto Motor und Sport report a rumor that Illien is in pole position to make it. His concept for 2010 would be a naturally aspired 3L V8 @ 13.500 rpm. This would be an interim spec derived from the US engine until a 2L direct injected, charged engine with fewer cyllinders can be developed for 2011. Ilmor seem to think that the 5 mil € target is no problem with either concept.

I still hope they get get those engines only for the customer teams and that other engines would be power regulated to level the playing field.

[donskar]

Ilmor, Cosworth, Mecachrome, Zytek and Judd have participated in the bid for F1 engines. Auto Motor und Sport report a rumor that Illien is in pole position to make it. His concept for 2010 would be a naturally aspired 3L V8 @ 13.500 rpm. This would be an interim spec derived from the US engine until a 2L direct injected, charged engine with fewer cyllinders can be developed for 2011. Ilmor seem to think that the 5 mil € target is no problem with either concept.

I still hope they get get those engines only for the customer teams and that other engines would be power regulated to level the playing field.

If Ilmor win - and they have an excellent background in F1 - we'll go through another round of paranoia, given Ilmor's association with McLaren-Benz.

[WhiteBlue]

Mario Illien had difficult time to build the business up after he sold the biggest part to Mercedes and stay away from F1 for many years. But his skills will undoubtedly be the same they were in the nineties. He is now a competitor to MBHP Ltd as his old company has become known. He will be taking business away from them if he gets the order. I have much more fear what could happen if Briatore's Meccachrome would make the big catch. Flav has so many fingers in the pie it makes me wonder every time.

[xpensive]

However incredible the concept may be, I have a strange feeling that Max Mosely will manage to push-thru the standard engine concept, a fitting last Hooray for an egomaniac. I thought at the beginning it was just one of his scare-tactics to get something else, but now that there is a bidding going on, well, I don't know really.

And if you think about it, would it be so bad for the manufacturers involved?
A Toyota would still be a Toyota (the same for Honda, BMW, Mercedes or Renault), but with a no-name engine, no?
Ferrari is another matter of course, but the privateers should love it.

I just hope that Cosworth will get the job in that case, having a world of experience in this area of large-volume production of racing engines. Besides, I was vey sad to see the go after all their efforts with the V8 for Williams.

[WhiteBlue]

This will be decided by money. The auto firms contribute a third of F1's revenues and internally justify that by marketing and PR. A standard engine would be devastating to the prospect of keeping that river of cash flowing. When you look at the conditions of the tender you see that it is deliberately shaped to allow the supply of customers only. So at worst the manufacturers had to consider loosing their engine customers. Neither Bernie nor Max can afford to piss off their biggest cash cow and they know it.

[Scania]

maybe no engine again...

ALL GO ELECTRIC