Engine usage in '09

[raceman]

I simply rule out Sebastian Vettel from the F1 Championship title hunt because he has only one fresh V8 unit remaining among allocated eight engines per driver for this season. Just let whatever reliability the Renault V8 may give, it won't last the remaining full races plus Friday and Saturday free practices - no doubt about it! He may well gain pole on 9th, 10th, etc. engines, but will have 10-place grid penalty and might not come above 7th or 8th place unless any miracles happen in each race, which I rather doubt. simply this is the time Red Bull should focus on MW rather than SV. wot say ppl?

[ESPImperium]

Vettel will take a fresh 9th engine at Brazil, as lets face it, you can overtake there.

His 2 remaining engines will each take a stiunt at Spa and Monza, then the shelf is waiting there for them. The 8th engine will do Singapore and Suzuka and then the friday of brazil, then the 9th engine comes in, he goes for pole ang gets it, then gets demoted to 10th, and then goes all Michael Schumacher in the race, overtaking every lap more or less, on a aggressive 3 stopper to get as many points as they can.

However, i see red Bull pushing Mark Webber now, as Vettel is more or less out of it now.

Altho, im not so shure, Vettel may have been using a already used engine for FP3/Quali & Race, meaning that he could potentially have 2 fresh engines left. As Document 22 of the Race report at Valencia dosnt say anything about Vettel starting with a new block, but Document 36 does. Meaning that he could have blown a block that was in circulation, then blew a new block, leaving 2 fresh blocks.

Im not so shure now. He may well have 2 fresh usable blocks, meaning that he could just escape the season.

[D'Leh]

If I'm not mistaken Vettel got his latest new blocks in Turkey and Valencia. In Silverstone, Germany and Hungary he used "used" engines. This means he has no engine left, which has less than at least one race distance of mileage. 4 engines are blown. So there are two used engines. If each of them had only one race distance then he could maybe make it to the finish line in Abu Dhabi without using a ninth block. But that's a huge if.

A regular weekend accounts for at least 750km. This includes free practice, qualifying and the race. Qualifying alone is almost 100km. As you cannot change engines between qualifying and race a complete "stint" for that matter is about 400km.

With the 2 new and the 2 used engines Vettel will have to do about 2400km of qualifying and racing. And to set his car up properly he has to do almost the same distance in free practice. That's 4 race distances per engine. It's possible, but very unlikely he manages to actually do it.

Funny thing though is, that according to the rules he can actually choose where to receive the penalty. Article 28 of the sporting regulation says, that he will receive the penalty at the event he first uses the ninth engine - even if that's just an installation lap. So he could theoretically use engines 7 and 8 in Spa and Monza. In Singapore then he could install engine 9 in free practice, only to race a used engine on sunday. This way he would have a virtually new engine in Brazil, but without the penalty. Unfortunately though Suzuka and Abu Dhabi will be quite tough for the then all used engines too.

All the theory stuff aside, first and foremost they need to find out what's causing the failures. And fix it. Because otherwise I'm pretty sure he'll blow another one in the process. And then he won't even make it with 9 engines.

[ESPImperium]

New revision to data coming soon.

Im excluding Friday engines, with exeption to that being Williams as they publish their engine serials on their web site.

[csponton]

New revision to data coming soon.

Im excluding Friday engines, with exeption to that being Williams as they publish their engine serials on their web site.

Hello. I am a new user.
you have the updated table on the use of engines of each driver?

[bar555]

New revision to data coming soon.

Im excluding Friday engines, with exeption to that being Williams as they publish their engine serials on their web site.

cann't wait for the new data table ......

[ESPImperium]

New revision to data coming soon.

Im excluding Friday engines, with exeption to that being Williams as they publish their engine serials on their web site.

cann't wait for the new data table ......

This revision is more labout intensive and a real pain basicaly.

I can get everything to about 85% there, and then it fails to make sence any more. Although for the Williams drivers, it makes complete sence as they publish their engine erials for Fridays on their web site.

All engines should be numbered and the information for Friday engines published, for example what engine they used. Personally, the rule id have made is that engines should be changed for new ones, only on a consecutive basis, basically as soon as the first one is changed out, it cant be used again for Friday practices etc...

[csponton]

New revision to data coming soon.

Im excluding Friday engines, with exeption to that being Williams as they publish their engine serials on their web site.

cann't wait for the new data table ......

This revision is more labout intensive and a real pain basicaly.

I can get everything to about 85% there, and then it fails to make sence any more. Although for the Williams drivers, it makes complete sence as they publish their engine erials for Fridays on their web site.

All engines should be numbered and the information for Friday engines published, for example what engine they used. Personally, the rule id have made is that engines should be changed for new ones, only on a consecutive basis, basically as soon as the first one is changed out, it cant be used again for Friday practices etc...

you have the updated table on the use of engines of each driver?

[ESPImperium]

Totaly updated and refreshed.

Im up to TUR/GBR at the current moment.

One thing ive also done is put Piquet/Grosjean, Bourdais/Algusuari and Massa/Badoer/Fisichella all on the same line now, whitch tidies the data up quite a bit as well.

[ESPImperium]

A little preview, my data up to GBR, and how the new look of the table looks like:


DIRECT LINK: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/I ... pToGBR.jpg

Havnt got the failures % up on that chart, but so far theres a 3.24% chance of a failure up to GBR, but this value will only climb, as we have 3 more Vettel failures and a potential Kimi and Rosberg failure to add as well.

[Fil]

ESP, i'm not doubting your effort, nor your accuracy, but here's a link to another site that is keeping a similar log. They're a little lazier in not even attempting to show the mileage tho, so kudos to you!

[ESPImperium]

Got that data as well.

As well as gearbox, ECU Version and Chassis data too.

Im attemptins something, id say its about 80% accurate, altho, that new version has no Friday engine data on it appart from the first few races, and Williams up to SPN/MON on Engine #1

[csponton]

helloboys. some of you have updated data on the engines?

Heres the data:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/I ... Update.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/I ... Update.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/I ... Update.jpg

Next F1 project, 2008 engine usage data. Thats he hard one. 2009 was pretty easy to set up, 2008 aint as simple.

[csponton]

I have the table of the engines used (GP Monza)?
Where can I find these data?

[ESPImperium]

I havnt got as far as Monza for the non-friday engine data.