Formula E

[Andres125sx]

I did not know their pitstops consist of literally changing cars.

I really hope the battery technology takes off from here though, this is great stuff.

I´d say we´ll see some improvement as soon as next seasson, but on next seassons improvement will be enough to convice even the most skepticals

[Andres125sx]

Ive enjoyed the first three races.

The changing cars is a bit lame but until the battery tech improves what else can you do?

Bruno Senna clearly likes the changing of cars after his incident with the wall just before his pitstop

Must be so expensive logistic wise: 2 cars for each driver. They would save so much money if they didn't have to change cars.

A FE car cost $350k, so not that expensive

Problem swapping batteries is it´s 200kg heavy (and includes cooling wich will be very hot) so it wouldn´t be that easy, but I´m sure it could be solved. I don´t like swapping cars either

[Andres125sx]

Swapping battery packs was in my original paper to the FIA in 2010 that the formula is based on.
Drayson is developing an induction pad for paddock re-charging.
I do not see the point of this as it cannot meet the needs of an instant change in a pit stop.

Just wondering as I know nothing about supercapacitors but,

What if cars would include a mix between supercapacitors and batteries? Supercapacitors for instant or very fast charging and a battery to transfer part of that energy to be used later in the lap/laps

Maybe with pads just on the straight it could be (some day) enough to fast charge the capacitors, and use that energy for the whole lap. Or pads for the pit-lane and do drive through for charging if it´s enough for more than one lap


That´s supposing LiO batteries are delayed more than expected, because with those they wouldn´t need swapping cars/batteries, and even so will deliver more than double power than current ones, so doble mileage and double power, at least, with first LiO batteries.... supposing they solve current problems as scheduled

[Pierce89]

Uruguay was MUCH better than the previous tracks, we actually saw some of the cars' capabilities. They didn't look nearly as slow as they did in previous races. Let's hope most of the tracks have fast chicanes

[mzso]

Swapping battery packs was in my original paper to the FIA in 2010 that the formula is based on.
Drayson is developing an induction pad for paddock re-charging.
I do not see the point of this as it cannot meet the needs of an instant change in a pit stop.
Induction charging... Carrying around dead weight just so that the car can be charged wastefully.

I did ask Monaco to consider burying induction coils under the circuit to allow the cars to run with no batteries.

I dont think the oil companies liked my ideas for this.
To close to Tesla technology?

Asked Monaco? In what status?

What do you mean by Tesla technology?

[Tim.Wright]

I did ask Monaco to consider burying induction coils under the circuit to allow the cars to run with no batteries.

I dont think the oil companies liked my ideas for this.
To close to Tesla technology?

I think it was the fact that disabling an entire city while it is dug up to install an untested technology which will be obsolete in a few years once battery technology improves was the reason for them not considering the proposal.

Not a question of oil companies or politics, just common sense...

[Hobbs04]

http://current-e.com/chatter/eight-manu ... -for-2015/

So, next year it wont be a spec car anymore but there will be different power train suppliers. I like that.

I heard on thejudge13 that one of the manufacturer s joining as an engine supplier was Michelin. Interesting due to the future of electric motors being housed inside of the rim and tire as a sole unit. I cannot think of any other reason.

Edit: spelling

[FW17]

I did ask Monaco to consider burying induction coils under the circuit to allow the cars to run with no batteries.

I dont think the oil companies liked my ideas for this.
To close to Tesla technology?

I think it was the fact that disabling an entire city while it is dug up to install an untested technology which will be obsolete in a few years once battery technology improves was the reason for them not considering the proposal.

Not a question of oil companies or politics, just common sense...

Maybe some one could make a cable type induction coil which is around 6 inches wide which can be installed on roads by just cutting a slot (just as fiber optics were placed) by microtrenching

[Andres125sx]

http://current-e.com/chatter/eight-manu ... -for-2015/

So, next year it wont be a spec car anymore but there will be different power train suppliers. I like that.

I heard on thejudge13 that one of the manufacturer s joining as an engine supplier was Michelin. Interesting due to the future of electric motors being housed inside of the rim and tire as a sole unit. I cannot think of any other reason.

Edit: spelling

For that it should be OZ Racing who manufacture the rims, not Michelin.

[Andres125sx]

I did ask Monaco to consider burying induction coils under the circuit to allow the cars to run with no batteries.

I dont think the oil companies liked my ideas for this.
To close to Tesla technology?

I think it was the fact that disabling an entire city while it is dug up to install an untested technology which will be obsolete in a few years once battery technology improves was the reason for them not considering the proposal.

Not a question of oil companies or politics, just common sense...

Maybe some one could make a cable type induction coil which is around 6 inches wide which can be installed on roads by just cutting a slot (just as fiber optics were placed) by microtrenching

http://www.tullochdev.co.uk/assets/imag ... 0-h600.jpg

Maybe, but that´s inventing something new (wireless induction charging requires pads) for a technology wich will be unnecessary in a decade, as Tim said

It´s the battery department what need investment to solve current problems of LiS and LiO batteries. Once they´re solved, ICE will be obsolete and charging will not be a problem because it will be done at night and slowly (what will avoid network problems and also is the best for the batteries) because they will have more than enough juice for a full day

[mzso]

http://current-e.com/chatter/eight-manu ... -for-2015/

So, next year it wont be a spec car anymore but there will be different power train suppliers. I like that.

I heard on thejudge13 that one of the manufacturer s joining as an engine supplier was Michelin. Interesting due to the future of electric motors being housed inside of the rim and tire as a sole unit. I cannot think of any other reason.

Edit: spelling

For that it should be OZ Racing who manufacture the rims, not Michelin.

Except that Michelin already made "active wheels" before. Active suspension and motor inside the wheel. Would be interesting.
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/200 ... o-hit.html
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/201 ... uliez.html
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/200 ... nturi.html

[FW17]

Maybe, but that´s inventing something new (wireless induction charging requires pads) for a technology wich will be unnecessary in a decade, as Tim said

It´s the battery department what need investment to solve current problems of LiS and LiO batteries. Once they´re solved, ICE will be obsolete and charging will not be a problem because it will be done at night and slowly (what will avoid network problems and also is the best for the batteries) because they will have more than enough juice for a full day

Guess that's how capitalism works. Investing in commodities that can be sold rather than shared.

[Andres125sx]

Except that Michelin already made "active wheels" before. Active suspension and motor inside the wheel. Would be interesting.
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/200 ... o-hit.html
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/201 ... uliez.html
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/200 ... nturi.html

I stand corrected! Thanks for the info mzso



Looks like their schedule is a bit delayed tough, they were supposed to hit the roads in 2010

[mzso]

Except that Michelin already made "active wheels" before. Active suspension and motor inside the wheel. Would be interesting.
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/200 ... o-hit.html
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/201 ... uliez.html
http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/200 ... nturi.html

I stand corrected! Thanks for the info mzso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1uTR-8KarE

Looks like their schedule is a bit delayed tough, they were supposed to hit the roads in 2010

Yeah. There's a fair amount of wishful thinking in these sort of projects.

[Andres125sx]

Round 4, Buenos Aires, tomorow