Moto GP 2016.

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by F1NAC » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:54 pm

Still faster than pirelli

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by J.A.W. » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:42 am

Well, the Czech G.P. was another lottery, due to the wet weather/tyre choices.

But lo & behold, for the 1st time in ~35 years, a Brit stood on top of the box, so good effort there as winner, Cal Crutchlow.
Rossi's choice of rubber compound appeared to have let him down, but he persevered to take 2nd, from MM.. who looks good for the title.
Sturmbannfuehrer Dr von Braun sez..
"Oberste Prioritat hat es Londoner Terror zu vergelten. Und danach, der Mondflug!"

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by GPR-A » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:55 am

F1NAC wrote:Still faster than pirelli

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqaOtrrWYAA1DPz.jpg
Importantly, despite such a high wear, it didn't blow out. That proves, it is possible to make tyres that grain, wear and what not, but still stay together.

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by henry » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:33 am

GPR-A wrote:
F1NAC wrote:Still faster than pirelli

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqaOtrrWYAA1DPz.jpg
Importantly, despite such a high wear, it didn't blow out. That proves, it is possible to make tyres that grain, wear and what not, but still stay together.
Do you think that is an altogether fair comparison considering the difference in loads the two formulae apply to the tyres?

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by Juzh » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:18 am

J.A.W. wrote: Rossi's choice of rubber compound appeared to have let him down, but he persevered to take 2nd, from MM.. who looks good for the title.
Key word "appeared", as it was only the case at the start of the race. Same with cruclow. It quickly became clear when it didn't wanna dry out any sort of hard wet compund was vastly superior.

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by Jolle » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:07 am

GPR-A wrote:
F1NAC wrote:Still faster than pirelli

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqaOtrrWYAA1DPz.jpg
Importantly, despite such a high wear, it didn't blow out. That proves, it is possible to make tyres that grain, wear and what not, but still stay together.
"Stay together" is not something I think that applies to this front tire. It's missing some key elements that make up a tire. That it still holds air is more luck then design. If it would have lost a bit more rubber and the cords would have touched the tarmac he would have crashed (best case, front wheel wipeout, worst case, high speed crash)

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by Samraj_official » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:19 pm

Pirelli must definitely learn atleast something from yesterdays motogp race, yes i know we should compare car compounds to bike compounds but still the Michelin wet tires raced gracefully despite the last 7-8 being quite dry!!

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by henry » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:30 pm

Samraj_official wrote:Pirelli must definitely learn atleast something from yesterdays motogp race, yes i know we should compare car compounds to bike compounds but still the Michelin wet tires raced gracefully despite the last 7-8 being quite dry!!
If by "raced gracefully" you mean " finished with a third of the tread missing" you make a very good point.

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by Samraj_official » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:27 pm

henry wrote:
Samraj_official wrote:Pirelli must definitely learn atleast something from yesterdays motogp race, yes i know we should compare car compounds to bike compounds but still the Michelin wet tires raced gracefully despite the last 7-8 being quite dry!!
If by "raced gracefully" you mean " finished with a third of the tread missing" you make a very good point.
No, but the thing to be noted is, despite a third of the tread missing, the wet bikes were pretty competitive against hard runners on a drying track and it wasn't a free fall either...

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by henry » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:42 pm

Samraj_official wrote:
henry wrote:
Samraj_official wrote:Pirelli must definitely learn atleast something from yesterdays motogp race, yes i know we should compare car compounds to bike compounds but still the Michelin wet tires raced gracefully despite the last 7-8 being quite dry!!
If by "raced gracefully" you mean " finished with a third of the tread missing" you make a very good point.
No, but the thing to be noted is, despite a third of the tread missing, the wet bikes were pretty competitive against hard runners on a drying track and it wasn't a free fall either...
And also to note that Lorenzo and Dovisioso both had to change bikes because they couldn't continue on chunked front tyres. But I am not critical of the tyres or their manufacturers but rather your, in my mind, wholly inappropriate comparison between anything in this MotoGP race and F1. It smacks of seizing any remotely appropriate stick and beating Pirelli with it.

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by Samraj_official » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:02 pm

oops sorry instead of typing " we shouldn't compare tires between both championships" i typed " we should compare".....pretty big mistake on my side..... #-o ....case closed.....

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by Pierce89 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:55 pm

Jolle wrote:
GPR-A wrote:
F1NAC wrote:Still faster than pirelli

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqaOtrrWYAA1DPz.jpg
Importantly, despite such a high wear, it didn't blow out. That proves, it is possible to make tyres that grain, wear and what not, but still stay together.
"Stay together" is not something I think that applies to this front tire. It's missing some key elements that make up a tire. That it still holds air is more luck then design. If it would have lost a bit more rubber and the cords would have touched the tarmac he would have crashed (best case, front wheel wipeout, worst case, high speed crash)
Yes this front tire is so horrible that on their first try Michelin is equal in pace to the Bridgestone tires developed for over a decade. You're the only person still complaining the riders finally realized these tires just have a different feel to get used to and got on with it. Overall though, my first statement says all that needs said.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by J.A.W. » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:38 am

Pirelli has been the World Superbike Championship series sole tyre supplier - for the past decade, as it happens..

If you want to compare the race times Michelin has managed vs Bridgestone last season, the Moto GP site has the data.
Sturmbannfuehrer Dr von Braun sez..
"Oberste Prioritat hat es Londoner Terror zu vergelten. Und danach, der Mondflug!"

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by Pierce89 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:42 pm

J.A.W. wrote:Pirelli has been the World Superbike Championship series sole tyre supplier - for the past decade, as it happens..

If you want to compare the race times Michelin has managed vs Bridgestone last season, the Moto GP site has the data.
I know and Michelin has actually already beat Bridgestone in some race times, yet people are slagging off Michelin. It's mind blowing to me.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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Re: Moto GP 2016.

Post by J.A.W. » Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:42 am

Grid positions for pending British GP at Silverstone, (Q done in wet conditions, but a dry race forecast).

1, C C;
2, V.R.;
3, M.V;
4,D.P.;
5,M.M..
Sturmbannfuehrer Dr von Braun sez..
"Oberste Prioritat hat es Londoner Terror zu vergelten. Und danach, der Mondflug!"



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