wesley123 wrote:Point is, Dallara simply screwed up and they blame the suppliers for it.
Your opinion carries no weight if you can not back it up with some kind of logic.
The engine or transmission suppliers could just as well be the issue here. What makes you think that they are limited in the amount of extra weight they have brought to the situation?
We simply do not have enough information to logically assign the majority of the blame to Dallara.
How much more logic do I need? Please read back the topic and my post, I have already given almost all possible arguments why Dallara c*cked up, both logical as well as opinion as well as out of information.
For this I'll take out my calculator to convert lbs to kg and back.
For the engine, lets take an 100kg weight.
100kg is 220.46226218487757lbs.
Lets state that this one is 30lbs overweight, that is around 14% that the engine would be overweight. Converted to kg the engine would weigh 113.6077711kg. And this 14% just seems to much to me, I would say these parts would be around 6kg overweight on earlier builds.
The Dallara is 200lbs overweight, if we take it to each category I named in the previous posts every part group would be 50lbs overweight, that is jsut too much, that is 22.6796185 kg for each part.
But now, lets state each part is 20% overweight, which is an huge amount. For this we take a few basic weights for every part group I named in previous post.
100kg engine -> 120kg
50kg gearbox -> 60kg
30kg suspension parts -> 36kg
15kg brakes -> 18kg
Now we convert these to lbs, the original behind the overweight, and behind that the amount it is overweight
120kg engine -> 265lbs - 220lbs -- 45lbs
60kg gearbox -> 132lbs - 110lbs -- 22lbs
36kg suspension parts -> 79lbs - 66lbs -- 13lbs
18kg brakes -> 40lbs - 33lbs -- 7lbs
In total 516lbs - 429lbs -- 87lbs
Lets say that mechanicals(thus non suppliers parts) are 70% of the car while it was designed that means we'll take(if i dont get it wrong here) 429 / 0,7 = 612lbs for the total car weight with the figures i took this is around half of the actual weight. so by that that means the suppliers parts are a total of 174lbs overweight. Thus the dallara parts are by this 36lbs overweight, which is around 16kg that the bodywork itself is overweight.
Still, 20% overweight for parts just seems too much for me, so by this we can state that the IRL set too high goals for Dallara to achieve or that Dallara made some serious mistakes in the design phase.
Also last stated doesnt seem so unlikely by what we have seen Dallara deliver in other classes, the HRT was so bad, it wasnt even f1 worthy, and if i'm correct in other series they havent been doing well either lately.