Jersey Tom wrote:Not sure I agree with the fuel load being the smoking gun. How does that amount of load compare to how much downforce the car generates? How does that variation in load with burnoff compare to how many thousands of pounds more or less downforce you have in a high speed or low speed corner?
F1 tires have always had the requirement of working through a wide load range by virtue of aero alone.
xpensive wrote:I'm not entirely convinced of the fuel-load being the culprit either, I have always, ignorantly perhaps, believed that the decisive parameter on the tyre is shear-force on the contact patch, which should not vary that much with the fuel-load at all?
myurr wrote:The load on the tyre isn't just the vertical component as produced by downforce though. You know far more about tyres than me but if the horizontal load is changing during the course of the race by a significant percentage wouldn't this affect the amount of heat generated in the tyre as well as the shear forces at the contact patch?
myurr wrote:Then why do the tyres only last half as long, or less, in the opening stint when compared to the final stint?
Paul wrote:Also, a heavier car, while generating similar lateral force at the contact patch, will generate it for longer period of time at each corner (because of lower cornering speed), thus working the tyre harder. At least that is how I see it.
bhallg2k wrote:(And could you please let the F2012 know that it's supposed get better as it gets lighter? For some reason, it never got the message.)
F1 is weird.
elf341 wrote:bhallg2k wrote:(And could you please let the F2012 know that it's supposed get better as it gets lighter? For some reason, it never got the message.)
F1 is weird.
I also noticed the McLaren in clean air was between 2 to 3 seconds a lap slower at the end of the race than the Lotus.
With Lotus' performance and a Williams winning the race, I'm not so sure it's luck either.
bhallg2k wrote:I wonder what effect F1's newfound parity is going to have on their planned IPO this summer.
The upcoming IPO is another angle to it of course, what's more xiting to the market than close racing, however artificial? Other than Williams and Lotus getting special treatment, I also suspect Sauber and perhaps even Alonso...oooops!
But why would this work especially well for Kimi and Grosjean and Maldonato and Alonso and not for Massa and not for Button?
The underlying logic is not really there ,at least to me when performance seems NOT to depend on how the driver uses the tyre and at the same time it is of paramount importance.
In each and every race now one or two teams have found the sweet spot in the race and funny every time it was a different one....That´s not matching with experience and knowledge gained....you would expect as time goes on more and more people finding the area where you need to be and the teams eeking closer and closer to the optimum.
My guess:without getting to know HOW teams get hold of their tyre allocation for the weekend you wonder how performance can be shifted through the field randomly
-when will Timo Glock have his lucky day and win the first time?
jason.parker.86 wrote:Could Pirelli deliberately be making some tyres last longer than others, and/or some tyres better than others? These "better" tyres could just be randomly placed into the batch and it's a complete lottery who gets them.
bhallg2k wrote:It's not that I don't think fuel load is a factor; obviously, it is. I should have said that I think Raikkonen's view is probably not representative of F1 drivers in general. Most have had 2+ seasons to figure it out, whereas Raikkonen is approaching only his sixth race.
(And could you please let the F2012 know that it's supposed get better as it gets lighter? For some reason, it never got the message.)
F1 is weird.
Nando wrote:jason.parker.86 wrote:Could Pirelli deliberately be making some tyres last longer than others, and/or some tyres better than others? These "better" tyres could just be randomly placed into the batch and it's a complete lottery who gets them.
What are the chances Maldonado picked the right tires in pretty much every single session?
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