raymondu999 wrote:I'd suspect car mechanical setup as well as downforce levels would have a much bigger say in tyre temp, no JT?
Jersey Tom wrote:Going to be a pretty good correlation of heat to how fast or hard you drive the thing.
Mechanical setup and balance I'd say would more dictate how it's distributed. Have a car that understeers like hell and the fronts will be roasted. Run piles of camber and the inside shoulder will be roasted.
raymondu999 wrote:Jersey Tom wrote:Going to be a pretty good correlation of heat to how fast or hard you drive the thing.
Overall, or just in the corners? More downforce would probably slow your straight speed.Mechanical setup and balance I'd say would more dictate how it's distributed. Have a car that understeers like hell and the fronts will be roasted. Run piles of camber and the inside shoulder will be roasted.
Why not aero balance?
Asked if Pirelli had foreseen the characteristics of the 2012 tyre, Hembery revealed: "No, because we could not see it on a 2010 car."
"We were asked to provide fun and entertainment with our F1 tyres, although it was not our intention to become the discussion point for the weekend," he said.
"You have to bear in mind what we were asked to do."
Cam wrote:stefan_ wrote:
"I've got no idea how to make them work either!"
Cam wrote:Nice one Pirelli, not only do you make crap F1 tyres, you actually had no idea how crap they'd be. So much for your QA..
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"I find [the tyres] very difficult to understand, that's why we tried a few new things this year in Canada and Monaco and places like that, because I felt I needed to find a bit more direction with the tyres, and what we tried definitely didn't work,"
"Most of the problem this year has been in and out of the range where they work, and that's a difficulty," he said. "You try and drive gentle with them to look after them, and they drop out of the range and you end up damaging the tyre more than if you keep them in the range and are aggressive with the tyre.
"It's been very difficult, especially for me, because my style of driving initially didn't suit the tyres - I've had to adapt a little bit."
He added: "The car, if you get the temperature in the tyres and the tyres working, is good in whatever condition – the problem is if we don't get the temperature we're nowhere, which is understandable."
Cam wrote:So, let's get this right, Pirelli was asked to supply a tyre that Pirelli had no idea how it would react to a 2012 F1 car. That's what he's just stated. Nice one Pirelli, not only do you make crap F1 tyres, you actually had no idea how crap they'd be. So much for your QA. "she'll be right, throw them on - all for the show".
Cam wrote:Agreed. However its been Pirellis responses which has perturbed me the most. At each stage PIrelli have deflected any and all criticism. Turns out, regardless of job they were asked to do, they have underestimated the 2012 tyre and don't fully know how to work it. If they had said from the start 'hang on, we haven't tested these on a 2012 F1 car so we have no idea how they'll react", then there would be no problem (well, there would be but for an entirely other reason) - but that didn't occur.
Pirelli have indeed created a lottery. These tyres may be consistent on a 2010 car, but this is 2012 and to serve up tyres, which they admit they don't run as they expect, isn't really the 'pinnacle of motorsport' is it?
To know teams are throwing millions of dollars to understand a component that the manufacturer doesn't understand - typifies the utter wastage of cash and resources for no good reason in F1 and continuing to allow it to occur flies in the face of reducing costs.
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