F1 Aero FRIC

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Sevach
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The only thing i can think in relation to the OP is intentional controlled flex, but there has been yet another clampdown in that area and it didn't hurt Mercedes.

As for suspension, it's time to go back to full active, it makes no sense to have super complex suspension systems trying to mimic the effects of an eletronic suspension.

johnny comelately
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JesperA wrote:When Redbull first introduced the S-duct i did not really see the aero advantages of that duct (mostly because i have no knownledge about aerodynamics what so ever :D ) so i thought about other use causes for it, one of which was a front suspension aided by the aerodynamic flow/pressure in that S-duct.

Take this post with a grain of salt. this is just a thought, please take it lightly or even laugh at the ridiculousness (is that even a word) of the ideá ;) Maybe i cant even show my face around here after this post ;)

I am horrible at painting or any graphic design so don't laught at the ugliness of my design, i just made it so it would be easier to visualize what i mean.

http://f.cl.ly/items/3z3o1x172n062B090N ... ic%201.jpg

More:
http://f.cl.ly/items/0409270k0Y1P093C3R ... ic%202.jpg

http://f.cl.ly/items/1O422M1f3G0X0B2h1y ... ic%203.jpg

So yeah, i dont know why i called it FRIC and posted it in this Aero FRIC tread because it is not a FRIC system at all since it is completely independent from front-rear. But it is a system/design to controll ride hight with the help of aero, much like a true Areo FRIC would.

I dont know if my concept would work at all (maybe the physics behind the idea is totally wrong) but just for the sake of it:

On the wishbones there is a paddle-like structure on the rear "arm" on the wishbone, the paddles extends beyond the pivot points (the holes in the wishbone, the pivot points on F1 wishbones lookes different but you get the idea) and into the airstream inside the S-duct. The paddle size could be adjusted, smaller or bigger depending on the car setup.

The idea would be that you could run a fairly high downforce at the same time as a fairly soft suspension setup without the plank or frontwing would be bottoming out and touching the ground in high speed straights or high speed corners. The soft suspension and high downforce would then give better traction in slow corners.

I made the paddles kinda small in my example but they should maybe be alot bigger, if they blocked alot of the airstream inside the S-duct, in high speeds the airpressure on the underside of the paddles would be quite large (almost acting like an air-spring) and neutral or negative airpressure on the top side of the paddles "holding" the wishbones in a downward angle (downward from the wishbone pivotpoint and down to the upright), thus holding the wishbone in the correct position agains the downforce from the frontwing.

There is a rule that states that the wishbones should be aero-neutral in the cars airflow IIRC and with my design, technicly, if you remove the wishbones with the paddles still attached and put the wishbones inside a wind tunnel with 0 degrees of AOA, the wishbones would be aero-neutral. Attached to the car, technically they are still aero-neutral compared to the cars general external airflow, but i am not sure the judges would agree. ;)
Good post with plenty of effort (sounds like a school report card, doesnt it :)
when i get time i look forward to analysing it, thank you

johnny comelately
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johnny comelately
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more where there is smoke there is fire :

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/203412/m ... front-axle

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Tim.Wright
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johnny comelately wrote:more where there is smoke there is fire...
Motorsport journalists are notorious for being able to generate copious amounts of smoke without there being any fire. Especially regarding suspension systems.
Not the engineer at Force India

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matt21
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johnny comelately wrote:just found this :

http://www.thisisf1.com/2015/07/16/merc ... ront-axle/
For me this is the normal application of a heave spring.