T Wings and Shark Fins on 2017 cars

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Should F1 ban t-wings immediately?

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No.
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Wigan301072
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I am please that the FIA have acted swiftly on this, as it will give plenty of time for teams to sort out their designs for next season ;)

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RicME85
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cplchanb wrote:
F1NAC wrote:
26 Apr 2017, 11:47
Banned area for any additional bodywork in red

https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/amp ... in-ban.jpg
There's still that "50mm" space just in front of the rear wing they can still exploit lol...man if you're going to draw an exclusion box Fia, draw it so it connects from end to end! If this drawing is accurate it'll keep a crack open for exploitation just in front of the rear wing (if there's any benefit albeit...)
But there won't be anything to attach anything to due to the new rules so that area would be useless

krisfx
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RicME85 wrote:
27 Apr 2017, 06:16
cplchanb wrote:
F1NAC wrote:
26 Apr 2017, 11:47
Banned area for any additional bodywork in red

https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/amp ... in-ban.jpg
There's still that "50mm" space just in front of the rear wing they can still exploit lol...man if you're going to draw an exclusion box Fia, draw it so it connects from end to end! If this drawing is accurate it'll keep a crack open for exploitation just in front of the rear wing (if there's any benefit albeit...)
But there won't be anything to attach anything to due to the new rules so that area would be useless
There's space below and aft of the red regulation box in that photo. Mercedes' solution could potentially be adapted to fit into that reg change.

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RicME85
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"When viewed from the side, no bodywork forward of the rear wheel centre line may lie above a line parallel to the diagonal boundary defined in a) [a rule that defines the dimension of the engine cover] and intersecting the rear wheel centre line 650mm above the reference plane."

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RicME85 wrote:
27 Apr 2017, 12:55
"When viewed from the side, no bodywork forward of the rear wheel centre line may lie above a line parallel to the diagonal boundary defined in a) [a rule that defines the dimension of the engine cover] and intersecting the rear wheel centre line 650mm above the reference plane."
seriously...whats their hard on for such overly technical text? why cant they just show a red box extending from the engine cover all the way to the rear wing and say: no external bodywork can protrude inside the red area when looking at the side profile... any potential loopholes for that?

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cplchanb wrote:
27 Apr 2017, 17:39
RicME85 wrote:
27 Apr 2017, 12:55
"When viewed from the side, no bodywork forward of the rear wheel centre line may lie above a line parallel to the diagonal boundary defined in a) [a rule that defines the dimension of the engine cover] and intersecting the rear wheel centre line 650mm above the reference plane."
seriously...whats their hard on for such overly technical text? why cant they just show a red box extending from the engine cover all the way to the rear wing and say: no external bodywork can protrude inside the red area when looking at the side profile... any potential loopholes for that?
It's an unfortunate scenario that they use this language, but it is to ensure that the rules can be applied to all team cars. Most team cars differ slightly in their designs of body panelling and the like, and so in a sport where thousandths of a second matter, these differences in design can give an advantage (potentially). So a picture showing a "typical" F1 car with a red box, wouldn't really work due to some teams having a longer chassis, higher rake/ride height, longer engine cover, further swept back rear wing etc etc... stating that it would "go all the way to the rear wing" means that there is a grey area of how long that actually is... Do I run a RW further upstream and make that exclusion zone smaller, or do I achieve the same thing by having a longer engine cover? And vice versa
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