Brilliant....
I have looked at the scoops and can not figure out where they dump to. The air flow must go somewhere. From the picture there are two small openings on the underside of the crash structure but these are way too small. To do what the difuser is supposed to do the outlet of the scoops would beed to be at least double the area of the inlet.
Can only guess they dump into an upper section that exhausts above the main diffuser.
Now for something completely different ....a man with a.....no, no, not that...
What about those fans in the wheels...is this a Monaco specific brake cooling feature...have we seen these on any other cars this season....??
Rule Interpretation - Double deck diffusers
Stewards reject protest against diffusers 26 Mar 2009
Following a long meeting and discussions between the involved teams, Brawn GP, Williams and Toyota have been given allowance to compete in this weekend's Australian Grand Prix with their current diffuser designs.
Mon May 25, 2009 6:34 am
Ian P. wrote:Brilliant....
I have looked at the scoops and can not figure out where they dump to. The air flow must go somewhere. From the picture there are two small openings on the underside of the crash structure but these are way too small. To do what the difuser is supposed to do the outlet of the scoops would beed to be at least double the area of the inlet.
Can only guess they dump into an upper section that exhausts above the main diffuser.
Now for something completely different ....a man with a.....no, no, not that...
What about those fans in the wheels...is this a Monaco specific brake cooling feature...have we seen these on any other cars this season....??
It goes over the top of the diffuser, the holes on the top are bigger than the ones on the bottom.
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I need some A1 Ring action....like now Mr. Bernie!!!
YES!! No more I-4 Turbo's!!! for now at least...
This is the problem with F1 today, people that see a loop hole (or a "loose" rule) and decide to close it instead of letting the flaw in the rules be fully exploited.
This experimenting/ingenuity/looking for an advantage is what f1 is about, its all about who can get closest to breaking the rules and pushing design and engineering to the limit. Thinking outside the box!!
I need some A1 Ring action....like now Mr. Bernie!!!
YES!! No more I-4 Turbo's!!! for now at least...
This is the problem with F1 today, people that see a loop hole (or a "loose" rule) and decide to close it instead of letting the flaw in the rules be fully exploited.
This experimenting/ingenuity/looking for an advantage is what f1 is about, its all about who can get closest to breaking the rules and pushing design and engineering to the limit. Thinking outside the box!!
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hecti
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Mon May 25, 2009 8:33 am
Red bull seems to "Scoop" in some of the air to the upper diffuser.
Scooping in the air to the upper diffuser must take away from the main stream of air going to the main diffuser.. So It also lowers the pressure under the main diffuser at the same time. (right?)
Maclaren Has "Side entry" .. the vertical holes are parallel to the flow, like a NACA duct correct?
How do you compare this solution to the Redbull scoop?
Scooping in the air to the upper diffuser must take away from the main stream of air going to the main diffuser.. So It also lowers the pressure under the main diffuser at the same time. (right?)
Maclaren Has "Side entry" .. the vertical holes are parallel to the flow, like a NACA duct correct?
How do you compare this solution to the Redbull scoop?
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n smikle
- Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Mon May 25, 2009 10:51 am
paused wrote:aguri wrote:New RBR5 DDD feeder:
*pic*
I bet AN and team are very unhappy having their floor and diffuser so clearly exposed. They must be cursing the cranes in Monaco lifting the car so high
Haha yeah, I bet Newey is a little bit mad about the young German right now considering how avoidable the accident was. But I thank him. Very interesting picture to see.
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D'Leh
- Joined: 14 Jul 2008
Sat May 30, 2009 11:14 am
for sure i guess we never see the floor of the brawn, i still maintain Brawns car is a great piece of engineering. I think in the ferrari days ross always used to say for a race/championship winning car u need every part of the car to be the better or close to other best cars on the grid.
brawn DDD for me is the most researched out of the field, obviously we cannot get figures from all teams on downforce generated but its worth noting the brawn is much better at looking after its rear tyres and its speed in slow corners is the best. I am also not convinced the DDD is the ultimate secret of the brawn its just simply designed around that concept so all the parts just work with the concept without compromises like redbull/ferrari/mclaren etc have to do.
Has anyone got any pics of the Force India solution? i tried to look in the pits in Monaco but couldn't see, i heard its a cross between the brawn/mclaren???
brawn DDD for me is the most researched out of the field, obviously we cannot get figures from all teams on downforce generated but its worth noting the brawn is much better at looking after its rear tyres and its speed in slow corners is the best. I am also not convinced the DDD is the ultimate secret of the brawn its just simply designed around that concept so all the parts just work with the concept without compromises like redbull/ferrari/mclaren etc have to do.
Has anyone got any pics of the Force India solution? i tried to look in the pits in Monaco but couldn't see, i heard its a cross between the brawn/mclaren???
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mstar
- Joined: 26 May 2009
Sat May 30, 2009 11:19 am
D'Leh wrote:paused wrote:aguri wrote:New RBR5 DDD feeder:
*pic*
I bet AN and team are very unhappy having their floor and diffuser so clearly exposed. They must be cursing the cranes in Monaco lifting the car so high
Haha yeah, I bet Newey is a little bit mad about the young German right now considering how avoidable the accident was. But I thank him. Very interesting picture to see.
Does the arrangement and introduction of the redbull DDD have any impact on the tyre wear? it could simply be vettel chasing qualy set-up as webber was ok.
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mstar
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