Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

[King Six]

excellent point... plus 225kg fuel tank is way excessive, Seb had 53.5kg of fuel and went 18 laps(not including warm up & formation)

extrapolating that for the entire 53 lap race we are talking about more like 160kg, or even 175 adding 10% for having to carry the extra weight of fuel & the 15kg extra ballast in the rules next year. And that is not even taking into account that the teams will be trying to lower fuel consumption in an attempt to lower starting fuel loads and tire wear.

I do not anticipate any team to be starting with more than 150kg of fuel next year.

What is the highest fuel consumption track?

Hmm well, with the engine freeze, aside from the air-fuel ratio, what can they change to improve consumption? I suppose if FOTA agree to bring KERS back and it comes back bigger and better as was planned is one thing. Then you have the drivers slightly changing their styles which is another, but you (well, I) run out of ideas pretty fast! There's not much you can do on the Aero front.

Lift the engine freeze and bring back turbos and allow Super-KERS, I say. Who said going green had to be boring.

[ISLAMATRON]

They can take the aero hit and increase the size of the cooling inlets to better cool the engines rather than run ultra rich to lower engine temps as the MERC seems to have done for the last year or so(Merc fuel milage is terrible, but their aero inlets are tiny)

The teams will weigh the weight penalty versus the aero penalty and will come to a compromise.

Also they can use leaner fuel maps, which may lower the power.... and lastly they can lower their downforce which will definitely lower their drag and thus their fuel consumption... it does not seem like this year the teams are taking full advantage of the moveable aero... any team that can maximize it to help them lower their fuel consumption will be at an advantage.

[modbaraban]

I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the news today. Any opinions on the 'new' FIA engine idea? Is it being discussed in another thread I failed to find?

[gridwalker]

I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the news today. Any opinions on the 'new' FIA engine idea? Is it being discussed in another thread I failed to find?

Link please.

[modbaraban]

“Motor sport must move from a power per unit of a combination of one or more of: swept volume/RPM/boost pressure/sonic orifice diameter, as a basis for engine performance regulation, to one of power per unit of energy, ” said the FIA statement. “This would automatically put the technical emphasis on energy efficiency, and enable all efficiency technologies to be embraced. This approach, combined with appropriate fuels, will also minimise the emissions of CO2. In
order to enable the public to easily understand this efficiency concept applied to motor sport, it is also necessary to limit the amount of fuel/energy consumed by a competitor during a race. For reasons of the cost of development, technologies may need to be restricted depending on the nature of a given championship/series.”

Green racing future - jamesallenonf1.com

[zgred]

FIA pushing for standardised KERS in 2011?

Formula One teams have agreed not to run Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems (KERS) at next year, but in 2011 they could all be using a standard version of the energy recovery technology.
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Next year, KERS is again allowed, but the Formula One Teams’ Association have agreed a gentleman's pact to ignore those relevant sections of the technical regulations. However, according to Auto Motor und Sport, the apparent KERS snub might be short-lived.

The publication reports that Ferrari's KERS component suppliers MTS and Saft are being lined up to supply a standard system in 2011 for a fee of €2m per team.

[Astro1]

This is a farce, even if they get the teams to agree on the idea of bogus fuel millage racing, they will never agree on running a standardized kers designed by a competitor.

Good luck getting Ferrari to run a Williams device when they have the capacity and resources to design their own.

Ferrari has already hinted at departure from F1 after the current Concorde is through. Could their tone be the result of the published plans?

F1 is starting to loose it's way. Time to find another series.

[hillman]

This is a farce, even if they get the teams to agree on the idea of bogus fuel millage racing, they will never agree on running a standardized kers designed by a competitor.

Good luck getting Ferrari to run a Williams device when they have the capacity and resources to design their own.

Ferrari - and everyone else - is running McLaren parts: http://www.f1technical.net/features/8055

I don't see why a standardised KERS would be different to the ECU in use.

[mx_tifoso]

Because KERS is part of the powertrain and the ECU is a basic part of the management system?

An ECU developed by each team won't give an advantage or be that different from the rest, but KERS will. McLaren's KERS was much lighter and reliable than Ferrari's. Therefore KERS is an integral part of the competitive nature of racing.

[lam.alex]

Lola B10/30 F1 car

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... esign.html

[vall]

Because KERS is part of the powertrain and the ECU is a basic part of the management system?

An ECU developed by each team won't give an advantage or be that different from the rest, but KERS will.

I'm not sure about that. At the time the standard ECU was introduced teams like Ferrari and Renault were complaining that this is a big step back for them coz they thought their systems were much better than the standard ECU.

McLaren's KERS was much lighter and reliable than Ferrari's. Therefore KERS is an integral part of the competitive nature of racing.

Unless KESR is open for development, which would be beneficial for road cars, I see no reason for KERS to be in F1. A standard KERS is not good for anything: more costs, more potential reliability issues and will not bring performance difference.

[Fil]

Because KERS is part of the powertrain and the ECU is a basic part of the management system?

An ECU developed by each team won't give an advantage or be that different from the rest, but KERS will.

I'm not sure about that. At the time the standard ECU was introduced teams like Ferrari and Renault were complaining that this is a big step back for them coz they thought their systems were much better than the standard ECU.

Renault's incredible start advantage had a lot to do with their ECU & traction control apparently.

McLaren's KERS was much lighter and reliable than Ferrari's. Therefore KERS is an integral part of the competitive nature of racing.

Unless KESR is open for development, which would be beneficial for road cars, I see no reason for KERS to be in F1. A standard KERS is not good for anything: more costs, more potential reliability issues and will not bring performance difference.

KERS will be a differentiator if it can bring advantages in various places. if a driver makes a mistake in turn 2 and uses KERS to cover for it, the following driver has the boost still left for later in the lap to attempt an overtake.
But i do agree, i think it should be an open development with revised regulations.

[mycadcae]

I think the current economic crisis, the FIA do many changes in terms of cost to each team and with the decrease in cost and some other teams can participate in sports F1

Thank,
Nik

[autogyro]

I am sick to death of hearing all this talk supporting standardized KERS systems to suit the car manufacturers, stagnate development in applied electric tachnology and panda to the greedy global warming denier oil companies.
KERS should remain open to development and seperate investment.
The wheel base of 2010 cars is way to long.
If they were to look at my ESERU, they would have a far far superior KERS components, which would eliminate the clutch completely and shorten that silly wheelbase by at least 12cm.
No I will not explain my system,why should I?

[ISLAMATRON]

wow