New points system for 2010

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby myurr » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:15 am

Having slated the Bernie's solution, what alternative would I propose? Well the problem that Bernie is trying to address is that with the current points system and Max's push for endurance components, the teams and championship winning drivers have focused on reliability.

There are two very simple solutions to this, both of which used to be part of the F1. Only count a drivers best results, instead of all of them, and only require components to last a single race. With this combination reliability will become less of a concern if, for example, a team could suffer two or three DNF's without penalty. Likewise drivers would be more likely to push for the highest places they could achieve if it did not matter if they broke the car or crashed out a couple of times each year.

No gimmicks or artificial overtaking added in to the racing, just a readjustment of the rules to turn F1 back into a sprint rather than an endurance race.

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby zgred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:07 pm

Teams agree to modify points again

gpupdate.net wrote:
1. - 25
2. - 18
3. - 15
4. - 12
5. - 10
6. - 8
7. - 6
8. - 4
9. - 2
10.- 1

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby jddh1 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:33 pm

zgred wrote:Teams agree to modify points again

gpupdate.net wrote:
1. - 25
2. - 18
3. - 15
4. - 12
5. - 10
6. - 8
7. - 6
8. - 4
9. - 2
10.- 1

It's better, imo

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby tarzoon » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:42 pm

If the cars are as close together as they were last year, this is going to be fun! But 7 points between first and second is quite a lot. If one of the main teams has a far better car, then the championship is practically decided.

It may become another 1998 or 2002...

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby ringo » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:02 pm

Team mate points disparities will look even more exaggerated. :P
I better check back that Button vs. Hamilton thread. :lol:
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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby Roland Ehnström » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:07 pm

Myself, I would go with 20, 15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1. But perhaps that's too simple for F1. :roll:

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby WhiteBlue » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:17 pm

myurr wrote:... require components to last a single race. With this combination reliability will become less of a concern if, for example, a team could suffer two or three DNF's without penalty.


It is not as simple as that. One would have to unfreeze engines as well and would loose all elements of cost control that are currently working. I'm trying to imagine what had happened if the GPMA had won in 2005 and we had headed with the 2005 or higher cost level into the 2008/2009 crisis. F1 may have been wiped out.
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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby mx_tifoso » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:38 pm

Wow, WB your stance is very pro-FIA, what a surprise.

Do you have any professional or personal ties to them by any chance?
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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby DaveKillens » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:53 am

This system practically guarantees that every team should have at least one point at end of season. Thus, everyone will become eligable for the extra bonuses teams collect at end of season. This is welcome to the new teams, because they can be safe in knowing that a few extra million will fall their way because of the generousity of Bernie.
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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby raceman » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:12 am

bring it on

:P

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby mx_tifoso » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:16 am

raceman wrote:bring it on

:P

Are you talking to death by any chance?
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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby raceman » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:17 am

mx_tifosi wrote:
raceman wrote:bring it on

:P

Are you talking to death by any chance?


nope

but rather to quote multiple quotes, I just let a free quote appear; quoting all the above quotes :wink:

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby Vasco » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:36 am

DaveKillens wrote:This system practically guarantees that every team should have at least one point at end of season. Thus, everyone will become eligable for the extra bonuses teams collect at end of season. This is welcome to the new teams, because they can be safe in knowing that a few extra million will fall their way because of the generousity of Bernie.


On the contrary the value of the points will decrease because of the increase in the number of points awarded.

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby ISLAMATRON » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:08 pm

DaveKillens wrote:This system practically guarantees that every team should have at least one point at end of season. Thus, everyone will become eligable for the extra bonuses teams collect at end of season. This is welcome to the new teams, because they can be safe in knowing that a few extra million will fall their way because of the generousity of Bernie.


Actually it is reported that in the newest ÈconcordeÈ all teams who complete every round are awarded 10Mil.. with points deciding how the rest of the TV money will be divided.

New system is a slight improvement but still sucks overall.

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Re: New points system for 2010

Postby DaveKillens » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:20 am

Vasco wrote:
DaveKillens wrote:This system practically guarantees that every team should have at least one point at end of season. Thus, everyone will become eligable for the extra bonuses teams collect at end of season. This is welcome to the new teams, because they can be safe in knowing that a few extra million will fall their way because of the generousity of Bernie.


On the contrary the value of the points will decrease because of the increase in the number of points awarded.


I believe I was misunderstood. At the end of the season Bernie has a nice pile of money he doles out to teams. If you did not score any points, no money. But if you just scored one point, then you are eligible for payment. That's why we would see the rare event when a back-runner would capture one point, and the team was celebrating like Carnival. That's because with that one point, a lot of money will come their way.
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