how can I take you serious, there was steering input to the right by Kobayashi, it is hard to work out when it was applied... Instead of looking for the missing originals, you want to start all over again?richard_leeds wrote:FrukostScones - Easy, just look at the head on view as they come down the straight. One driver is following the white line, the other in the middle of the track swings over to take the racing line and clips the guy who is still following the white line.
It was an exact repeat of the crash in qualifying when some driver clipped another who was happily following the white line.
Rubbish you are imagining things!!!!!!FrukostScones wrote:how can I take you serious, there was steering input to the right by Kobayashi, it is hard to work out when it was applied... Instead of looking for the missing originals, you want to start all over again?richard_leeds wrote:FrukostScones - Easy, just look at the head on view as they come down the straight. One driver is following the white line, the other in the middle of the track swings over to take the racing line and clips the guy who is still following the white line.
It was an exact repeat of the crash in qualifying when some driver clipped another who was happily following the white line.
I don't think he is – I see the input too, though I still think the crash is the fault of hamilton's earlier leftward input. The commentators originally also called it as Kobayashi's fault saying that he turned into the corner before hamilton did. Given that so many people saw it I'm pretty sure that there's no imagination going on... Doesn't change who's fault the crash was though, or that it was a racing incident.djos wrote:Rubbish you are imagining things!!!!!!
Great find but iif you zoom in on the the second to last frame (very easy to do on my iPad) you can clearly see that Lewis Almost has his rear wheel in between kamuis wheels so the last frame only shows that contact has been made and Lewis is merely trying to extract himself from and accident that is already in progress (tire smoke is clearly visible proving contact is well and truly in progress).Pup wrote:Actually if you look at the last three frames of the incident below, it does seem quite clear that Kobayashi moved away from the line a bit before the contact - a tire's width or so? Also, it appears to me that in the second to the last frame Hamilton has already begun his turn into the corner, if only slightly. Looking at this, I wouldn't dismiss the idea that Kobayashi was to blame.
Pieced together by someone on Atlas - great work...
After a fairly wet weekend I would not be wanting to touch those kurbs with great haste. Especially braking down from 190+mph.Lycoming wrote:If nothing else kobayashi certainly had room, even if he would have been on the korbs. no need to lift
Does not compute.djos wrote:Great find but iif you zoom in on the the second to last frame (very easy to do on my iPad) you can clearly see that Lewis Almost has his rear wheel in between kamuis wheels so the last frame only shows that contact has been made and Lewis is merely trying to extract himself from and accident that is already in progress (tire smoke is clearly visible proving contact is well and truly in progress).Pup wrote:Actually if you look at the last three frames of the incident below, it does seem quite clear that Kobayashi moved away from the line a bit before the contact - a tire's width or so? Also, it appears to me that in the second to the last frame Hamilton has already begun his turn into the corner, if only slightly. Looking at this, I wouldn't dismiss the idea that Kobayashi was to blame.
Pieced together by someone on Atlas - great work...
It's also pretty obvious that Lewis progressively drove into Kamui whose line never deviated until the collision actually took place!