Crazy 2012 F1 idea (not sure it's legal, please check!)

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Post Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:27 am

A rough evolution of the MP4/26 concept... :P

- 3 wing-shaped profiles connecting the chassis sides to the actual pontoons: the first two contain the side crash-structures
and the third one, quite big, is contain the whole exhauts system

- ending-part of the exhaust blows from the lower-surface of the bigger wing with a 10° pitch

- whole sidepods are raised from the floor, a-la-F92A/F310/ToroRosso 2012

- vertical 'v' shaped side-pods air-ducts

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Maybe it's totally illegal, anyway what do you think? :)
Giando
 
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Post Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:37 pm

looks awesome! is the exhaust the little rectangle? if it is its too low for 2012
allstaruk08
 
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Post Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:22 pm

allstaruk08 wrote:looks awesome! is the exhaust the little rectangle? if it is its too low for 2012


Yep, probably... I think that maybe the whole exhauts-wing bodywork could be repositioned a little bit higher
to meet the minimum height required... :)
Giando
 
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Post Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:34 pm

Even better... move just the exhaust on the upper side! 8)

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Giando
 
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Post Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:57 pm

I have already done something similar to this in a Formula Renault (the only free aero rules where inside sidepods...) with quite good results.
"You need great passion, because everything you do with great pleasure, you do well." -Juan Manuel Fangio

"I have no idols. I admire work, dedication and competence." -Ayrton Senna
Belatti
 
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Post Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:01 pm

Belatti wrote:I have already done something similar to this in a Formula Renault (the only free aero rules where inside sidepods...) with quite good results.


Hi!

What you mean 'good results'? Did you tested this kind of shape in some CFD software?
Giando
 
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Post Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:56 pm

manchild and a bit later(in fact a full year later) myself proposed this already ..

One problem is you are not allowed to fully enclose the crash structures if I´m correct-so a wing profile surrounding those is not legal as I understand -but then a little slot between sharkgills was ok to make them one opening...so who knows.
marcush.
 
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:08 am

marcush. wrote:manchild and a bit later(in fact a full year later) myself proposed this already ..

One problem is you are not allowed to fully enclose the crash structures if I´m correct-so a wing profile surrounding those is not legal as I understand -but then a little slot between sharkgills was ok to make them one opening...so who knows.


Ah!!! mate i guarantee i didn't see your proposal... funny to know we can develop similar ideas...

didn't know you can'tenlcose the crash structs in to wing profiles...

it's quite frustrating that designers are nomore free to use different shapes in certain areas cars would look much more stunning...


regards :-)


Ps... what does 'manchild' mean?
Giando
 
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:14 am

Not what; who. Manchild is our resident idealist. Some might even claim he invented Ferrari's vented nose in 2008. Also the biggest fan of Michael Schumacher you'll ever meet.

(And he's the creator of my snazzy avatar.)
bhall
 
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:55 am

Giando wrote:
Belatti wrote:I have already done something similar to this in a Formula Renault (the only free aero rules where inside sidepods...) with quite good results.


Hi!

What you mean 'good results'? Did you tested this kind of shape in some CFD software?


No, coast down stright line testing.
"You need great passion, because everything you do with great pleasure, you do well." -Juan Manuel Fangio

"I have no idols. I admire work, dedication and competence." -Ayrton Senna
Belatti
 
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Location: Argentina

Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:32 pm

bhallg2k wrote:Not what; who. Manchild is our resident idealist. Some might even claim he invented Ferrari's vented nose in 2008. Also the biggest fan of Michael Schumacher you'll ever meet.

(And he's the creator of my snazzy avatar.)



Ah ah... thanks for the explanation... i didn't understand it was a person, actually!
Giando
 
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:35 pm

Giando wrote:
marcush. wrote:manchild and a bit later(in fact a full year later) myself proposed this already ..

One problem is you are not allowed to fully enclose the crash structures if I´m correct-so a wing profile surrounding those is not legal as I understand -but then a little slot between sharkgills was ok to make them one opening...so who knows.


Interesting, and funnily, some spoilers about the new Ferrari speak exactly about wing profile surrounding the side-crash structs... :wink:

They have to respect the same ratio rule applied for the suspension arms!
Giando
 
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Post Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:45 pm

yes i think it's legal, but you need more room for the radiators
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yace
 
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Post Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:36 am

Multi layered radiators might do the trick. But then they have their own problems.
I've found a way of ducting exhaust right to the diffuser edge like in 2011 and created a new wheel fastener that could allow sub 2 second pitstops see them here --> My 2013 F1 Concept Project
MIKEY_!
 
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Post Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:20 pm

Are the thin sidepods to aid Cd because the whole car is narrower? If so wouldn't that benefit be circumvented because the front tire width is what predominantly determines the Cd.

Or did I completely misunderstand you?
We pity new F1 fans coming into the sport in 2012. They are forced to like F1 with these grotesque nose designs.
gold333
 
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