2012 European GP - Valencia

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby raymondu999 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:06 am

Chuckjr wrote:Just curious here, but why is virtually nobody picking Alonso for the win? What is it about the circuit that is Ferrari unfriendly?

I don't think Ferrari/Fernando is/will be particularly rubbish around Valencia, but I think in Valencia, Hamilton and Vettel are two Valencia specialists. I expect them to have an edge on him, at least in driving stakes.

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Chuckjr wrote:Just curious here, but why is virtually nobody picking Alonso for the win? What is it about the circuit that is Ferrari unfriendly?

The track temperature and optimal tyre temperature for the car, though Ferrari are a little bit of an unknown... Merc don't stand a chance, RBR and Lotus should be quick, McLaren and Ferrari are a little unknonwn though McLaren may not be great.

Just about agreed. Ferrari (especially in their latest exhaust iteration is a bit of an unknown at the moment

ringo wrote:raikonen doesnt have the edge this year. He has the craft but i dont think he has the speed like grosjean. Romaine to me looks more likely to win a race;if he survives the first 15 laps.

I'm a massive Raikkonen fan, but sadly I have to agree with you there.

Mclaren may not do to well in the heat, but they may have learnt from last year and improved their car in that sense.

It's interesting isn't it. Traction + heat seems to be so weird on the McLaren. They burnt up their rears in Valencia 2011, but then were fine in Singapore 2011. Then they burn up their rears badly in Bahrain, but in Canada where it was hotter they come out on top.

To memory, the weather and temperatures stay more or less consistent through the Valencia weekend, and the change in track conditions really only come about in track evolution and cleaning up from a dirty track. Will be interesting to see how the teams fare in what should be another consistent-temperature race; especially as it's the first one since Mugello. We've had quite a few microclimates happening in the last 3 grands prix, with what I consider the last "temperature consistent" race weekend to be China and Bahrain.
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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby f1316 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:51 am

raymondu999 wrote:I don't think Ferrari/Fernando is/will be particularly rubbish around Valencia, but I think in Valencia, Hamilton and Vettel are two Valencia specialists. I expect them to have an edge on him, at least in driving stakes.


I actually think, as someone else mentioned, Alonso's very good around Valencia. For him to beat one Red Bull last year - and what's more pass it on track - was quite an achievment given the relative performance of the cars, and in 2010 he had great pace once the tyres came up to temperature, only to be hampered by some unfortunately circumstances with the safety car.

I see those three - Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel - being very close again, as you yourself mentioned earlier, ray. Them not being on the podium together surely can't last long, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see those three in some order up there. I think Ferrari did well (pace-wise) in Canada with very little running of their new exhaust, but with extra running/setup tweaks I can see Alonso taking this one.

Maybe wishful thinking... ;)

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby Raptor22 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:28 pm

Hmmm, everyone forgeting about Perez.

That car seems to be good at circuits where the surface is relatively green. Melbourne, Malaysia, Monanco (fastest lap) Montreal...
Ok valenicia starts with a V so maybe they won't go well but at tracks where the surface is not heavily rubbered in, this car goes very well

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby FrukostScones » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:07 pm

Raptor22 wrote:Hmmm, everyone forgeting about Perez.

That car seems to be good at circuits where the surface is relatively green. Melbourne, Malaysia, Monanco (fastest lap) Montreal...
Ok valenicia starts with a V so maybe they won't go well but at tracks where the surface is not heavily rubbered in, this car goes very well


yeah, but Saubers where not that good in Bahrain and 31°C is the latest forecast for 06/22/23/24Valencia. And I think Saubers (Perez) are champs on supersoft. Perez will win Silverstone that is pretty certain, if not Maldo will do. :mrgreen:
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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby beelsebob » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:34 pm

Raptor22 wrote:Hmmm, everyone forgeting about Perez.

That car seems to be good at circuits where the surface is relatively green. Melbourne, Malaysia, Monanco (fastest lap) Montreal...
Ok valenicia starts with a V so maybe they won't go well but at tracks where the surface is not heavily rubbered in, this car goes very well

But it seems to like cold temps, Valencia won't have them.

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby Raptor22 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:17 pm

Peter Sauber is suggesting they are on top of that. The last few races have had lower temps but Malaysia was actualy warm, despite being overcast.
Lets see, but I see an upward trend at Sauber. I really hope they maintain it and finish the season 5th or higher. Its also quick in a straight line so they're going to give the likes of Mercedes a headache at Spa and Silverstone.

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby Chuckjr » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:41 am

Do you all think that Ferrari was mostly guessing on set up in Canada with their new exhaust, or do you think they walked in with a good idea for what it would bring and how to set the car up? I think if any of you have insight into that question, we can better extrapolate the position Ferrari is in currently with the new system and therefore better understand their chances in Valencia. Im curious what you all think as many in here seem to have a good, logical hold of teams and what they know/can do at each track.

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby foxmulder_ms » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:49 am

I think McLaren and RB will be really close. My bet is on Hamilton, again.

I am anxious to see what Button will do.

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby zyphro » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:14 pm

What are people basing their predictions on?

Any idea of weather forecast? It's usually very warm in Valencia.

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby PlatinumZealot » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:30 pm

Mclaren domination. Mclaren 1-2 on the grid by 0.4 seconds to the next car.
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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby beelsebob » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:32 pm

zyphro wrote:What are people basing their predictions on?

Any idea of weather forecast? It's usually very warm in Valencia.

Of course a week in advance the forecasts are generally fairly poor, but the current ones say dry + 26°C... Somewhat cooler than Valencia normally is, perhaps this'll benefit McLaren then.

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby myurr » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:13 pm

n smikle wrote:Mclaren domination. Mclaren 1-2 on the grid by 0.4 seconds to the next car.


I could buy an easy pole in Silverstone, as the McLaren is probably the strongest through the fast corners, but I think Valencia is going to be a lot tighter than that. I reckon Vettel will get pole but only by compromising his race pace a little, so he won't win the race. That'll be between Hamilton and Alonso.

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby gray41 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:59 pm

Alonso for me to win this one, Vettel pole but not by much.

Q
1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Webber
5. Rosberg

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1. Alonso
2. Vettel
3. Hamilton
4. Grosjean
5. Webber
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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby zyphro » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:29 pm

Is there any real meaning behind this article?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100478

:wtf:

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Re: 2012 European GP - Valencia

Postby bhall » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:32 pm

I guess it's just Schumacher's turn.




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