HRT F112 Cosworth

[marcush.]

what is their target with this car ín 2012? Build up a team and survive ,nothing more .I´m not expecting any big things and rightly so .They have really performed surprisingly well given the turmoil surrounding them last year.

[imightbewrong]

You can't throw out the unfavourable times because it biases the figures. By bias I mean a persistent error in the execution or interpretation of the results.

You'll see that I didn't, I reported both full race and first stint times. The reason the first lap is discarded is that they are different in length for the first and last car and must thus be discarded since it falls outside the population of equal race laps.

[C_Stonehouse]

Just read the teams preview; they will be using the Canada Spec wing.

[Petroltorque]

Just read the teams preview; they will be using the Canada Spec wing.

Seriously? They can't be confident of making the 107% with a normal setup then. Running such a low downforce wing at Spa would mean the car's unbalanced around Rivage, Pouhon, Fagnes and Stavelot. It's not as though the F112 has enough inherent grip to offset the loss of downforce in Sector 2.

[C_Stonehouse]

Just read the teams preview; they will be using the Canada Spec wing.

Seriously? They can't be confident of making the 107% with a normal setup then. Running such a low downforce wing at Spa would mean the car's unbalanced around Rivage, Pouhon, Fagnes and Stavelot. It's not as though the F112 has enough inherent grip to offset the loss of downforce in Sector 2.

I think they're trying to maximise tops speed to compensate for the lack of inherent grip. On the Kemmel straight and longer straights they may be one of the fastest. I think they just want to be quickest in something, even if it is just one speed trap.

[Petroltorque]

As I recall there's only one straight at Spa and that's Kemmel. The rest of this glorious circuit is all high speed corners some of which are off camber. It's not as though we can expect them to bleed off the drag through Eau Rouge or the sharp direction change at Radillon. Granted brake wear is not a problem at Spa tyre wear is. Keeping tyre deg to manageable levels in sector 3 after the brutal corners of Sector 2 is unlikely with an ultra low drag setup. I predict a shunt!

[TzeiTzei]

Straight line speed is very important on 1st and 3rd sectors. Canada spec might be a bit extreme, and will hurt them in S2, but this might be their only chance against Marussia which has been consistently slow on straights.

[wesley123]

Remember last year Red Bull ran a Canada or even Monza wing here, being fastest on the straights. It certainly isnt a wrong choice to make. Low df you gain mainly in S1 and some on S3 but with High df you have your tires lasting longer and you are quicker through S2

[Jackles-UK]

Remember last year Red Bull ran a Canada or even Monza wing here, being fastest on the straights. It certainly isnt a wrong choice to make. Low df you gain mainly in S1 and some on S3 but with High df you have your tires lasting longer and you are quicker through S2

The difference is that last years RBR (or any recent RBR for that matter!) had so much grip that they could happily dump a load by running low downforce wings etc and still have plently left to still function fine through S2 which, although it is more downforce dependant than the rest of the track, is still fast. I wouldn't be too surprised if it turned out that the low-downforce spec RBR still had more downforce than the current HRT/Marussia!

[wesley123]

Great that they had that much more grip, the idea is still the same.

For the 2011 Red Bull as for the HRT now is the same idea applicable, only with the HRT there is less grip, it is still the same scenario.

2011 RB:
-Low DF:
Qucik in S1 and S3
More tire wear
Lose time in S2
-High DF:
Lose time in S1 and S3
LEss tire wear
More grip in S2

This also counts for the HRT in exact the same way

[Petroltorque]

Great that they had that much more grip, the idea is still the same.

For the 2011 Red Bull as for the HRT now is the same idea applicable, only with the HRT there is less grip, it is still the same scenario.



This also counts for the HRT in exact the same way

As someone has pointed out earlier, what works for RBR won't work for HRT even if the principle is the same. RBR could afford to trade some drag at the expense of downforce. The were still sealing the Diffuser with an off throttle EBD. HRT's car is unstable at the rear running less wing won't help that.

[wesley123]

So the car is already unstable at the rear? Make it seem even more logical to run a low df wing, afterall the rear is already unstable, might as well play on the strengths they do got.

But I guess that by your theory no one would run a low df wing like Red Bull did last year? Afterall everyone lost df

[Petroltorque]

HRT's Canada spec wing was more of an ultra low downforce wing that one would see at Monza. With a low drag config car I would have thought that more rear stability would be the way to go. I suppose if HRT are worried about qualifying within the 107% that's the way to go but's it quite a handicap to race with.

[cbbcisace]

HRT's Canada spec wing was more of an ultra low downforce wing that one would see at Monza. With a low drag config car I would have thought that more rear stability would be the way to go. I suppose if HRT are worried about qualifying within the 107% that's the way to go but's it quite a handicap to race with.

[C_Stonehouse]

Marussia are running KERS next year; Are we expecting HRT to implement the system in the Singapore update?