On the night from Friday to Saturday, burglars have stolen a large number of F1 trophies from Red Bull Racing. The break in caused significant damage as offenders drove a vehicle through the building's front entrance.
So what exactly does all this have to do with IRBR or vettel's telemetry?CBeck113 wrote:Yep, Mystic is right - my work Laptop just got updated to Win7 last week (from XP) and the Task bar is the same.
I'd call it confirming that IRBR is using a relatively modern IT system, which is not necessarily a given. Which has more to do with this thread than your comment - a simple, "nice, let's stick closer to the topic" would be more appropriate, if you want to wave that flag.Juzh wrote:So what exactly does all this have to do with IRBR or vettel's telemetry?CBeck113 wrote:Yep, Mystic is right - my work Laptop just got updated to Win7 last week (from XP) and the Task bar is the same.
Microsoft actually extended Windows XP support for the Dutch government for 3 million euro's, so I'm sure if Red Bull were still running XP and took out the check book, Microsoft would put a few nerds on it.Mysticf1 wrote:Personally I would be shocked and horrified to find a top team using windows XP that is no longer supported by Microsoft (no security updates) potentially increasing the likelyhood of software vulnerability, something Marrusia suffered earlier this year I might add.
Won't it be more economical to shift to win 7 or 8 ?mnmracer wrote:Microsoft actually extended Windows XP support for the Dutch government for 3 million euro's, so I'm sure if Red Bull were still running XP and took out the check book, Microsoft would put a few nerds on it.Mysticf1 wrote:Personally I would be shocked and horrified to find a top team using windows XP that is no longer supported by Microsoft (no security updates) potentially increasing the likelyhood of software vulnerability, something Marrusia suffered earlier this year I might add.
Or Linux.. I think it mostly depends on what platform best runs the control software you use, so if that was written for XP you should stick with XP. The lack of security updates might be less of a problem for a specialized system that's not connected to the internet.siskue2005 wrote: Won't it be more economical to shift to win 7 or 8 ?
Red Bull Technology, the company that designs, engineers and builds the chassis for the Red Bull Racing Formula One team, has deployed an HP 3PAR storage platform.
Matt Cadieux, chief information officer (CIO) at Red Bull Technology, said: “Our new storage system enables the team to get the most out of critical engineering, manufacturing and trackside applications, which are vital to improving the performance of our cars."
Cadieux added: "HP has also future-proofed the system by providing us with the scalability to handle desktop virtualisation and more complex simulations over the next two years."
I wouldn't put it down to that. They've likely got custom software which was written some time ago and doesn't support current operating systems. Surely you can appreciate a database for 20million + people is going to need significant work to port over to a new, non compatible environment.mnmracer wrote: There is zero logic in governments and ICT.
With the risk of going off topic a bit. I have personal experience in designing/writing desktop software for off road vehicles. You generally don't want that software to be run in virtual machines. A PC has very bad 'real time' behaviour. Win3.11 was about the last one allowing to do such things. With XP/7 you can still write very performant logging applications. Win8 makes this a lot more difficult. Virtual machines give even more shitty performance. And last but not least VMs limit your access to hardware (for example CAN interfaces) a lot. I haven't seen anything but a network connection to be working reliably in a VM.Cam wrote:With virtualisation, they can run just about any OS can't they. Sounds like whatever they use it's capable until at least 2014. This article is from June 2012.
I think this is on topic. We're discussing the I.T. Infrastructure of Red Bull Racing. Seems legit. Cloud computing is getting pretty good, especially if you have a fast network - backbone fast.Jef Patat wrote:With the risk of going off topic a bit. I have personal experience in designing/writing desktop software for off road vehicles. You generally don't want that software to be run in virtual machines. A PC has very bad 'real time' behaviour. Win3.11 was about the last one allowing to do such things. With XP/7 you can still write very performant logging applications. Win8 makes this a lot more difficult. Virtual machines give even more shitty performance. And last but not least VMs limit your access to hardware (for example CAN interfaces) a lot. I haven't seen anything but a network connection to be working reliably in a VM.Cam wrote:With virtualisation, they can run just about any OS can't they. Sounds like whatever they use it's capable until at least 2014. This article is from June 2012.
That was from last month in combo with a PR piece with AT&T. We can do better than speculate with what they're using, as it's published. As to how it performs? Would anything less than top shelf be acceptable? As to the performance of the virtualisation, a quick read through HP's & IBM's specs should answer that."As Formula One moves into a more tech-focused and connected environment, the relationship with AT&T is steadily growing, with plans to expand it in order to support the Team's connected future. Within the next few months, all of our WAN links will be consolidated onto AT&T's backbone. We also plan to adopt unified communications tools , mobile device management and security services later in the year," said Matt Cadieux, Chief Information Officer at Infiniti Red Bull Racing.
Well, all this discussion about WinXP is nonsense and off topic as it was stated on the last page, that they do not use WinXP, but Win7. Some discussion about virtualisation may be on topic, but also is not really useful:Cam wrote:I think this is on topic. We're discussing the I.T. Infrastructure of Red Bull Racing. Seems legit.
1. All I see is a simple program polling data from an interface and displaying numbers. You need slow refresh rates to read the numbers, so no need for real time or any sort of performance. My phone is doing that in my BMW...Jef Patat wrote:....Cam wrote:With virtualisation, they can run just about any OS can't they. Sounds like whatever they use it's capable until at least 2014. This article is from June 2012.
You generally don't want that software to be run in virtual machines. A PC has very bad 'real time' behaviour.
....And last but not least VMs limit your access to hardware (for example CAN interfaces) a lot. I haven't seen anything but a network connection to be working reliably in a VM.
