Adrian Newey on quitting F1

[xpensive]

Quasi-endurance hybrids with an artificially flat powercurve are not true racing engines to my mind, they are just boring.

[autogyro]

What do you think the chances are that Adrian will surface in Formula E?
He knows where the future is.

[CHT]

What do you think the chances are that Adrian will surface in Formula E?
He knows where the future is.

With Redbull kind of money and their strong extreme sports following, they might as well just set up Formula X-1 themselves.

[Andres125sx]

What if they limit aero to XXXX points of downforce at XXX speed?

They still could develop aero to lower drag, this would follow their tendency of improving efficiency, and also would equal things to avoid dominant cars making F1 so boring

[timbo]

Quasi-endurance hybrids with an artificially flat powercurve are not true racing engines to my mind, they are just boring.

You think they are boring or they actually bore you? Flat or not, they have enough torque to spin the wheels up to 3-4 gear, while V8s could not. My only objection is the sound, but driving wise they are much more interesting to look at.

[xpensive]

Quasi-endurance hybrids with an artificially flat powercurve are not true racing engines to my mind, they are just boring.

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Flat or not, they have enough torque to spin the wheels up to 3-4 gear, while V8s could not.
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I guess you mean they have high mid-range power, which is xactly the artificial part I object to, all due to a constant fuel-flow.

[Andres125sx]

Quasi-endurance hybrids with an artificially flat powercurve are not true racing engines to my mind, they are just boring.

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Flat or not, they have enough torque to spin the wheels up to 3-4 gear, while V8s could not.
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I guess you mean they have high mid-range power, which is xactly the artificial part I object to, all due to a constant fuel-flow.

Constant fuel flow is responsible for the flat part of the power curve, not for the high mid-range power, that´s thanks to the turbo.

Without fuel flow limit, mid range would be the same (or very similar), but the curve wouldn´t be flat at any rpm, it would continue raising as any other power curve


As any production car. Two cars with same peak power, one aspirated and one turbo, turbo will always have much better mid range power... and low range too, at least once turbo start blowing wich today is pretty soon

[iotar__]

Engine guys must be loving it though. Don't act as if you know what he's talking about, you sympathise with him and if it wasn't like that F1 would be great like in, I don't know 2003 or 1997. Another good old times vague subject: what happened to creativity?! I thought turbo thing Merc did was creative, same as Ferrari's no engine cover but their turbine not so much. Wasn't Newey leaving for a decade, I guess when you stop winning it helps you to make a decision.

[Pierce89]

What do you think the chances are that Adrian will surface in Formula E?
He knows where the future is.

Not unless they allow chassis development. Formula E only allows powertrain development and only after this first season.

[Pingguest]

"You have 70 liters of fuel to work with. Bring in any engine you want."

I see nothing wrong with that. We'd not have had to suffer the sorry sound either. Even my dad (who doesn't give a s***) complained about the sound this last race... So yes, nothing wrong with F1 becoming too engine oriented - if there ever is such a thing.

A fuel consumption limit only might be unsafe, as it does not prevent teams and the engine manufacturers to make the engines generate an incredible amount of power. Without a fuel-flow limit the current breed of engines are capable to produce around 2,000 bhp.

Bearing in mind that power is or should be just one of the performance differentiators, wouldn't it be better to limit the total amount of engine power to somewhere between 800-1,000 bhp?

[CHT]

It's kind of worrying that there are now more discussion about trying to find ways to slow down f1 than to make it go faster.

[McMrocks]

What if they limit aero to XXXX points of downforce at XXX speed?

Well if i was an engineer i'd design my wings that way that they stall just before speed xxx. By doing so you could achieve higher df than XXXX points below that speed but still be within the rules.

What i want to say is that it was almost as difficult to control as a budget limit.

[lebesset]

is F1 a sport ?
if so it has to be primarily a drivers formula rather than the designers formula that it has become


the pendulum needs to swing back ! as someone said recently , the drivers need to be the heroes , in which event interest will return

[timbo]

is F1 a sport ?
if so it has to be primarily a drivers formula rather than the designers formula that it has become

But it almost always were.

[timbo]

I guess you mean they have high mid-range power, which is xactly the artificial part I object to, all due to a constant fuel-flow.

But they still have MORE power at the throttle than V8s. Full throttle % decreased over the lap, and this is nice thing to see.