adrianjordan wrote:When people say that Berger will "replace Ron Dennis", presumably that's only in reference to Ron's role in the F1 team, not the McLaren Group as a whole right?
Because my take on the group as a whole is that Ron's vision for it, and leadership of it, is going well - their cars to date have all sold in line, or exceeding, expectations and I understand that they have a healthy order book.
Wasn't the plan always for Ron's return to the F1 team just to be short-term?
Laughable.mclaren_mircea wrote:- Mclaren cannot permit anymore to have a large structure of the management team like Mercedes and Ferrari. To Jonathan Neale, Tim Goss and Sam Michael apparently are going to leave sonner than latter.
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
Berger will likely be team principal, Honda want a "Honda-man" overseeing the project those are the rumors. There are to many so called "directors" at McLaren, I wouldn't be surprised if Berger leads the F1 team and all "directors" if they still will be there being demoted to head of their departments. Eric Boulier could also quite if he has to answer to Berger. He was put their to lead the team by Ron. If Ron doesn't have the backing from shareholders and leaves, Eric's position might become obsolete when Berger joins and commands that position.Thunders wrote:Sooo, Gerhard Berger for Sporting Director?
What's your issue with Neale?kooleracer wrote:Sam Micheal the worst addition under Martin Withmarsh will finaly leave, he brought the Williams slump to McLaren. Hopefully Neale will also leave soon. Tim Goss is a great designer, real valuable asset. If McLaren boots Tim Goss I wouldn't be surprised if Paddy Lowe offered him a job at Mercedes.
Boullier is too good to be potted by mclaren or honda. If he is forced out- bad decision in my opinion.kooleracer wrote:Berger will likely be team principal, Honda want a "Honda" overseeing the project those are the rumors. There are to many so called "directors" at McLaren, I wouldn't be surprised if Berger leads the F1 team and all "directors" if they still will be there being demoted to head of their departments. Eric Boulier could also quite if he has to answer to Berger. He was put their to lead the team by Ron. If Ron doesn't have the backing from shareholders and leaves Eric's position might become obsolete when Berger joins and command that position.Thunders wrote:Sooo, Gerhard Berger for Sporting Director?
The McLaren management carousel, will be a great winter F1 story. I''m already tuned in.
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
Neale has been responsible of the technical slump McLaren finds it's self in. He decided to build a totaly new car for 2013 instead of improving the fastest car at the end of the 2012 season. Neale is also responsible for the technical and engineering staff at McLaren Racing. A lot of good engineers have left McLaren and they haven't been replaced since Paddy Lowe and Pat Fry are two examples. Also his engineering direction hasn't been successful, the alternating design philosophy is such an example. McLaren has clever people working for them but the management is weak part of the organisation. Hopefully the get rid of the management including Neale A.S.A.P.CjC wrote:What's your issue with Neale?kooleracer wrote:Sam Micheal the worst addition under Martin Withmarsh will finaly leave, he brought the Williams slump to McLaren. Hopefully Neale will also leave soon. Tim Goss is a great designer, real valuable asset. If McLaren boots Tim Goss I wouldn't be surprised if Paddy Lowe offered him a job at Mercedes.
When Micheal leaves and if mclaren do have a return to the front- it's gonna add another blotch to his career, a career that's been blotched for the past 10 years unfortunately whether it's been bad luck, just circumstance or bad misjudgement.
I don't believe Neale really was to blame. Remember, Mclaren followed their own philosophy, which worked great but ultimately had less potentional then the competition. The MP4-27 was at the end of that philosophy's curve. They wouldn't have extracted much more performance out of it.kooleracer wrote:Neale has been responsible of the technical slump McLaren finds it's self in. He decided to build a totaly new car for 2013 instead of improving the fastest car at the end of the 2012 season. Neale is also responsible for the technical and engineering staff at McLaren Racing. A lot of good engineers have left McLaren and they haven't been replaced since Paddy Lowe and Pat Fry for instance. Also his engineering direction hasn't been successful, the alternating design philosophy is such an example. McLaren has clever people working for them but the management is weak part of the organisation. Hopefully the get rid of the management including Neale A.S.A.P.CjC wrote:What's your issue with Neale?kooleracer wrote:Sam Micheal the worst addition under Martin Withmarsh will finaly leave, he brought the Williams slump to McLaren. Hopefully Neale will also leave soon. Tim Goss is a great designer, real valuable asset. If McLaren boots Tim Goss I wouldn't be surprised if Paddy Lowe offered him a job at Mercedes.
When Micheal leaves and if mclaren do have a return to the front- it's gonna add another blotch to his career, a career that's been blotched for the past 10 years unfortunately whether it's been bad luck, just circumstance or bad misjudgement.
turbof1 wrote:kooleracer wrote:I don't believe Neale really was to blame. Remember, Mclaren followed their own philosophy, which worked great but ultimately had less potentional then the competition. The MP4-27 was at the end of that philosophy's curve. They wouldn't have extracted much more performance out of it.kooleracer wrote:
Neale has been responsible of the technical slump McLaren finds it's self in. He decided to build a totaly new car for 2013 instead of improving the fastest car at the end of the 2012 season. Neale is also responsible for the technical and engineering staff at McLaren Racing. A lot of good engineers have left McLaren and they haven't been replaced since Paddy Lowe and Pat Fry for instance. Also his engineering direction hasn't been successful, the alternating design philosophy is such an example. McLaren has clever people working for them but the management is weak part of the organisation. Hopefully the get rid of the management including Neale A.S.A.P.
So Neale was right to change philsophies, but unfortunaly had to step on unknown ground for mclaren. The MP4-28 was a failure due inexperience.