Scuderia Ferrari 2014

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Ferrari need to give Pat Fry the boot.
He was second grade at Mclaren and to this day i don't see why they have him in the team.
He to me is most responsible for the lack of performance at ferrari.

if anyone from ferrari is reading this thread....
GET RID OF PAT FRY !!

He has created a bunch of ugly and slow cars. his efforts at mclaren produced the silver donkey, and he went on to ferrari to spread his mediocrity. He needs to go!
For Sure!!

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According to OmniCorse, Ferrari have hired two electronic specialists from McLaren. They've worked on the electronic unit produced exclusively by McLaren and are obviously familiar with the controls of the Mercedes Power Unit. The article is
Here

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:According to OmniCorse, Ferrari have hired two electronic specialists from McLaren. They've worked on the electronic unit produced exclusively by McLaren and are obviously familiar with the controls of the Mercedes Power Unit. The article is
Here
Like Ron Dennis has already said, without the source code you can't unlock the full potential of the power-unit. These McLaren electronic specialists will be familiar with the Mercedes power-unit both they don't know the secrets of the powerunit. But Ferrari has a close partnership with Magnetti Marelli really don't understand they need for outsiders. I'm sure that Magnetti Marelli has enough in-house knowledge, they are one of the leading electronic/ software automotive companies in the world.
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kooleracer wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:According to OmniCorse, Ferrari have hired two electronic specialists from McLaren. They've worked on the electronic unit produced exclusively by McLaren and are obviously familiar with the controls of the Mercedes Power Unit. The article is
Here
Like Ron Dennis has already said, without the source code you can't unlock the full potential of the power-unit. These McLaren electronic specialists will be familiar with the Mercedes power-unit both they don't know the secrets of the powerunit. But Ferrari has a close partnership with Magnetti Marelli really don't understand they need for outsiders. I'm sure that Magnetti Marelli has enough in-house knowledge, they are one of the leading electronic/ software automotive companies in the world.
Eeemm. Maybe beacuse they need 2nd look on thinks. Fresh ideas, thinking outside of the box etc. There are many factors we dont know'. Yes we could think that, but i think the constant flow of engineers to grab latest "know-how" is importand if not even most important thing to do from team management point of view.

Bv. How it is about rummors that the Vettel will brig with him couple top RB simulation guys ("whole departmend")? The latest Ferrari news of changing of provider of textures and geometrics and tarmacs models in virtual sim could be connected?
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ringo wrote:Ferrari need to give Pat Fry the boot.
He was second grade at Mclaren and to this day i don't see why they have him in the team.
He to me is most responsible for the lack of performance at ferrari.

if anyone from ferrari is reading this thread....
GET RID OF PAT FRY !!

He has created a bunch of ugly and slow cars. his efforts at mclaren produced the silver donkey, and he went on to ferrari to spread his mediocrity. He needs to go!
Like the 2007 McLaren ? That was his Chassis right? The year that Ron Dennis allowed team infighting between 2 McLaren Drivers to be tied for point and lost the drivers title by 1 point to Rai ? I think he was also responsoible for the 2005 McLaren MP4-20.

Well his technical abilities aside.... He's brought over a bunch of engineers from McLaren. I presume some of those people wouldn't take too well with him being pushed out. If people like him enough to follow him ...it says something about the man.

I really have no idea how good or bad Pat Fry is. Paddy Lowe might. I presume that Alonzo had something to do with him coming over to Ferrari since they were at McLaren together during that 2007 year.

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Pat fry is NOT at the root of Ferrari's problems. If he were, he'd be gone. The new ruthless Ferrari management team will not keep any losers on board.
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AMuS reports rumors that alonso hasn't officially retired from ferrari. that's why they haven't announced vettel yet.

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http://www.ft.com/fastft/227932/fiat-ch ... areholders

Reports suggest that Fiat Chrysler is planning on selling off Ferrari...what could this mean for the F1 team?
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Current trend of F1 technology (hybrid) makes all teams dependent upon very advanced high tech R&D from OEMs. This has never been the case before to that extent. Severing ties with Fiat would undermine the strength of technical base of Ferrari unless some other "major" automaker buys them.

As long as Mercedes is willing to "buy out" the sport by spending half a billion on an engine program, nobody unwilling to spend similar funds will be able to compete.... including Ferrari regardless what is their ownership status. Fiat is probably realizing this and wants to cash in to solve their financial issues as well as protect their investment in an event of Ferrari getting devalued if they start loosing regularly.

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Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is not selling Ferrari, its preparing Ferrari for an IPO. FCA will retain 90% of Ferrari shares and is selling 10% of Ferrari shares to so it has the cash it needs to fund the new plans of FCA. The other 80% percent of the shares will be divided between the current FCA shareholders, in a move to keep the shareholders happy. So it will only sell 10% of the Ferrari shares when Ferrari becomes a publicly traded company on the NYSE in the future. It's just away to get cash because the initial IPO of FCA didn't brought in the cash the needed. Ferrari is FCA most important asset, the would never sell Ferrari that would be the death of FCA.
A key move in that direction was Fiat Chrysler’s presentation in May of its five-year plan, which called for total vehicle sales to rise to 7 million in 2018 from 4.4 million last year. In presenting that plan, Mr. Marchionne said Ferrari wasn’t for sale. Fiat Chrysler will sell 10% of Ferrari in an IPO next year, seeking to unlock the value of the sports-car brand.

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Jalopnik wrote:Early this morning, Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles announced that it was spinning off Ferrari, bringing a formal end to a relationship that dates back to 1969, when Fiat first bought a 50% stake in Enzo's little company. But who will control it now? And what does it mean for the company? And the F1 team? Let's try to find out.

We should probably establish, before we go any further, that with any pending financial transaction, you shouldn't trust any definitive predictions. Regulators can step in and halt everything, Enzo's son can decide that after devoting his entire life to the automobile, he hates everything with wheels and will now ski everywhere, and on and on.

But judging from past experience, we can look into our crystal ball and try to divine what might happen for the storied Italian brand.

And, as with any Italian company, it quickly devolves into family politics.

So let's start at the top. This morning, FCA announced it was spinning off Ferrari on the public market. For those who don't normally follow the stock market, a "spin off" traditionally means that a larger company goes out and sells a smaller division that it owns to the public at large.

Meaning you, too, can buy a slice of Ferrari, starting in 2015. Even if you can't afford to buy one of their cars.

Spin-offs have a number of advantages over an outright sale to someone else, but the main advantage is that you get to write off a bunch of taxes associated with the sale. But in Fiat's case, it's not selling every single one of its shares on the public market. In fact, it's much more convoluted than that. And we have to go all the way back to 1899.

Back in 1899, a young man from a small farming town named Giovanni Agnelli founded a car company, named Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino, or F.I.A.T.

F.I.A.T., or Fiat, as it's known today, grew into a major Italian industrial powerhouse, especially under the tutelage of Giovanni's grandson, Gianni Agnelli.

Gianni Agnelli was a man of fine wealth and taste, becoming the richest person in modern Italian history before his death in 2003. During his time at the helm of Fiat, he engineered the company's initial acquisition of Ferrari from founder Enzo Ferrari, in 1969; he was appointed a Lifetime Senator in Italy; and he became a master of sprezzatura, or the art of wearing your watch in new and silly ways.

When Gianni Agnelli died, the chairmanship eventually passed to his own grandson, a man by the name of John Elkann. John and his brother Lapo Elkann might not have the Agnelli family name attached, due to their virtue of being born to Italian journalist Alain Elkann and his wife, Margherita Agnelli, but they are very much heirs to the Agnelli legacy.

Here's Lapo, for instance, skiing behind a Ferrari FF while wearing a bright red custom-made suit, probably created just for the occasion:

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Pictures of John usually just show him in a regular suit. John is the Chairman, Lapo is "manager of brand promotion."

Maybe you can figure out why.

Anyways. Through all of these grandchildren and heirs and grandchildren, Fiat has managed to stay in the control of the Agnelli family, and through it, Ferrari. Specifically, Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles, as the company is now known, is controlled by an Italian investment firm known as Exor SpA.

Exor is basically the firm that manages the Agnelli family's wealth, and they hold a controlling stake in it.

Exor owns 30% of Fiat's shares. That 30% stake is more than enough to control FCA, as the next-biggest non-institutional shareholder is company CEO Sergio Marchionne, with only .57% of the company.

So, we can basically say that the Agnelli-Elkann family owns 30% of Fiat. Capiche?

Now, when Fiat said they were spinning off Ferrari, they didn't actually say they were selling the entire company on the public market. They said they were selling 10% of Ferrari on the public market, and the other 90% of Ferrari that Fiat owns it was going to be distributing to its own shareholders.

Meaning 30% of that stake, or roughly 27% of Ferrari, is being handed right back to the Agnelli family.

And if you're wondering by now who owns the remaining 10% of Ferrari that Fiat doesn't own, it's also Ferrari.

Well, Piero Ferrari, son of company founder Enzo Ferrari.

Through all of Ferrari's (the company) history, they've still had a Ferrari (the person) helping to run things. In addition to owning 10% of Ferrari (the company), Ferrari (the person) is Vice Chairman of Ferrari (the company).

Meaning that Ferrari (the person) will possibly have even more influence, as most of the remaining 63% that isn't in his or Agnelli family hands will go to Fiat shareholders, largely made up of financial institutions, which have zero interest in running the day-to-day of the small Italian sports car company.

So all in all, what does this mean for Ferrari, the company?

It means that we'll likely get a lot more of the same, as the "new owners" are actually the same people who have owned the company for the past 45 years. Which means that it's likely that all of Ferrari's storied racing programs, including its Formula One team, will likely continue, just as they have for the past 45 years.

Could someone go ahead and try to buy the remaining 63% of Ferrari shares from all the financial institutions that have no interest in running the day-to-day business of the company, out from under the noses of the Agnelli and Ferrari families?

Theoretically, yes. But before it got to that point they'd probably have a heck of a time doing so, and then we're getting into Poison Pills and legal battles and all sorts of fun. And if it gets to that point, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

But for now, we can say that probably nothing too huge will happen for Ferrari. They'll keep on cranking out 700-horsepower-plus GT cars and ridiculous limited edition specials.

Probably.

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kooleracer wrote:Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is not selling Ferrari, its preparing Ferrari for an IPO. FCA will retain 90% of Ferrari shares and is selling 10% of Ferrari shares to so it has the cash it needs to fund the new plans of FCA. The other 80% percent of the shares will be divided between the current FCA shareholders, in a move to keep the shareholders happy. So it will only sell 10% of the Ferrari shares when Ferrari becomes a publicly traded company on the NYSE in the future. It's just away to get cash because the initial IPO of FCA didn't brought in the cash the needed. Ferrari is FCA most important asset, the would never sell Ferrari that would be the death of FCA.
A key move in that direction was Fiat Chrysler’s presentation in May of its five-year plan, which called for total vehicle sales to rise to 7 million in 2018 from 4.4 million last year. In presenting that plan, Mr. Marchionne said Ferrari wasn’t for sale. Fiat Chrysler will sell 10% of Ferrari in an IPO next year, seeking to unlock the value of the sports-car brand.

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Wouldn't Ferrari also be in trouble with emissions if they weren't part of Fiat? afaiu the carmakers have to meet certain
averages for their entire fleet, so Fiats eco boxes offset Ferraris gas gusslers

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langwadt wrote:
kooleracer wrote:Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) is not selling Ferrari, its preparing Ferrari for an IPO. FCA will retain 90% of Ferrari shares and is selling 10% of Ferrari shares to so it has the cash it needs to fund the new plans of FCA. The other 80% percent of the shares will be divided between the current FCA shareholders, in a move to keep the shareholders happy. So it will only sell 10% of the Ferrari shares when Ferrari becomes a publicly traded company on the NYSE in the future. It's just away to get cash because the initial IPO of FCA didn't brought in the cash the needed. Ferrari is FCA most important asset, the would never sell Ferrari that would be the death of FCA.
A key move in that direction was Fiat Chrysler’s presentation in May of its five-year plan, which called for total vehicle sales to rise to 7 million in 2018 from 4.4 million last year. In presenting that plan, Mr. Marchionne said Ferrari wasn’t for sale. Fiat Chrysler will sell 10% of Ferrari in an IPO next year, seeking to unlock the value of the sports-car brand.

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Wouldn't Ferrari also be in trouble with emissions if they weren't part of Fiat? afaiu the carmakers have to meet certain
averages for their entire fleet, so Fiats eco boxes offset Ferraris gas gusslers
Second that, I think so too. That's also the reason why Aston Martin back in the days released the Cygnet even though it didn't sell.

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Compliance cars are the Devil's spawn........ :wtf:
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