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ollandos wrote:
CjC wrote:Not sure if this is thread relevant

It's Kmag describing the car and engine

http://m.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/322581 ... good-base/

It's interesting how he said that the 29 had more downforce than the 30.
I know they bang on how a predicable and consistent car is better than a peaky downforce car BUT surely they would want more downforce than the previous years car and a consistent car, especially with a mr. Prodromou on the books.

He said he was surprised about how good the honda is! Just needs to be more reliable.... That's an understatement if I ever heard one..... :roll:

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to danish newspaper he said in a polite but direct way that honda needs gain experience, they dont know where they are since everything is turned down, because the engine is unreliable, he said the car felt predictable, forgiving, consistent, and he said the car was a good base, and looked like he genuine meant it, but he singled out honda and their need to up their game

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everything i've seen up until now, is that Honda actually have not made a bad engine at all - the reliability issue and general problem is with the electrical unit, and the 'combined working' of those units. My guess is the Honda V6T ICE itself is a masterpiece and potentially could even outdo the Mercedes block. However, it seems they are gigantically behind and disadvantaged by the electrical power unit they are using. Somehow, they can't bring it to work like it should.

Which makes me wonder; where are these electrical parts coming from? is it a honda part or another manufacturer? Magnetti Marelli? I've expected to see a steep learning curve from Woking, but it seems more like they're not advancing one bit with the electrical issues they've been having.

Which surprises me, since Honda invested about 133 million into the engine. Is this then just the ICE unit or is it the total package?

I'm kinda suprised we're not seeing experimental vehicles driving the F1 package. I mean, is it really that impossible to take the Honda F1 engine completely with the electrical unit and just mount it in some test-car, it could even be a civic for crying out loud. At the least a former older F1 car.

Still, it's not all cries and tears though, Mercedes saw Hamilton DNF on the first race with them ending up being the WCC and WDC winners, and RedBull which seemed to have the biggest engine issues were runner - up.
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maccafan wrote:
CjC wrote:Not sure if this is thread relevant

It's Kmag describing the car and engine

http://m.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/322581 ... good-base/

It's interesting how he said that the 29 had more downforce than the 30.
I know they bang on how a predicable and consistent car is better than a peaky downforce car BUT surely they would want more downforce than the previous years car and a consistent car, especially with a mr. Prodromou on the books.

He said he was surprised about how good the honda is! Just needs to be more reliable.... That's an understatement if I ever heard one..... :roll:
Well if 29 had more DF then 30, what have they been doing over the winter? I remember Ron mentioning in some interview that MP4-30 had amazing DF numbers in the simulator. I guess all of that was BS and just empty talk from Rons side.

I somehow wait for the McLaren Honda to blitz to atleast within a 1.5 s of the mercs. That would at least say that they have some kind of performance but no reliability. Right now they do not seem to have anything, a fictive "zero size" car that will be fighting with manor in term of points.

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That is just the launch aero package. 8) The new nose and aero package has been put up for Melbourne.
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Manoah2u wrote:everything i've seen up until now, is that Honda actually have not made a bad engine at all - the reliability issue and general problem is with the electrical unit, and the 'combined working' of those units. My guess is the Honda V6T ICE itself is a masterpiece and potentially could even outdo the Mercedes block. However, it seems they are gigantically behind and disadvantaged by the electrical power unit they are using. Somehow, they can't bring it to work like it should.

Which makes me wonder; where are these electrical parts coming from? is it a honda part or another manufacturer? Magnetti Marelli? I've expected to see a steep learning curve from Woking, but it seems more like they're not advancing one bit with the electrical issues they've been having.

Which surprises me, since Honda invested about 133 million into the engine. Is this then just the ICE unit or is it the total package?

I'm kinda suprised we're not seeing experimental vehicles driving the F1 package. I mean, is it really that impossible to take the Honda F1 engine completely with the electrical unit and just mount it in some test-car, it could even be a civic for crying out loud. At the least a former older F1 car.

Still, it's not all cries and tears though, Mercedes saw Hamilton DNF on the first race with them ending up being the WCC and WDC winners, and RedBull which seemed to have the biggest engine issues were runner - up.
Are you sure it's just the electrical unit?

I was under the impression that it was more than just the MGU K giving up.

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maccafan wrote:
CjC wrote:Not sure if this is thread relevant

It's Kmag describing the car and engine

http://m.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/322581 ... good-base/

It's interesting how he said that the 29 had more downforce than the 30.
I know they bang on how a predicable and consistent car is better than a peaky downforce car BUT surely they would want more downforce than the previous years car and a consistent car, especially with a mr. Prodromou on the books.

He said he was surprised about how good the honda is! Just needs to be more reliable.... That's an understatement if I ever heard one..... :roll:
Well if 29 had more DF then 30, what have they been doing over the winter? I remember Ron mentioning in some interview that MP4-30 had amazing DF numbers in the simulator. I guess all of that was BS and just empty talk from Rons side.

I somehow wait for the McLaren Honda to blitz to atleast within a 1.5 s of the mercs. That would at least say that they have some kind of performance but no reliability. Right now they do not seem to have anything, a fictive "zero size" car that will be fighting with manor in term of points.

:evil:
Boullier said that the difference in this car and the previous ones, before PD, is that Macca cars where designed in the wind tunnel to have max theoretical downforce. The problem was this wasn't useable, it was too peaky and inconsistent making the car difficult to drive.

The philosophy is now to have maximal usable downforce, which is delivered more consistently therefore making the car more drivable. PD confirmed that the direction that mclaren was taking was wrong.

As a result the mp30 only has less theoretical downforce, Macca have deliberately developed a car with more consistent downforce "delivery" even if that means having less peak downforce.

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To be honest I find kamgs statement a bit contradictory,the mp4-29 posted a 1.27 in the Spanish qualy last year, with an engine that was definitely powerful and more drivable than the Honda( we don't know that for sure since they are yet to run the pu on full power). So how is a car with lesser downforce and a weaker less drivable
engine 2.5 seconds faster( probably more) in these cooler conditions.

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mclaren111 wrote:

If you look at the top insert, the wing paint is shiny on the entire wing. On the bottom one the edges is not painted.

Would this make a difference to the airflow ??

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wbV5MJbVH0s/V ... 26fe41.png
Thunders:Purely just different lighting
Disagree - they are differently painted as per this and other photos:

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Pretty radical diffuser on the MP4-30, I wonder what the benefits of opening up the sides and relying on airflow to seal the diffuser.

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Magnussen describes new car as more stable and driveable: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1421868179
But interestingly also mentions that last year's car probably had more (peak) downforce.

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Brought this over from the team thread.

not seen many pics to day of the car (cuz its not been on track...)

I've seen one pic and still no monkey seat?

can we assume we haven't seen mclarens Melbourne aero spec on the car? I think we've seen bits and pieces of it at different times but not everything at the same time?
Just a fan's point of view

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Wouldn't surprise me if the intended to run a pre Melbourne Pack today but decided against it due to limited running. Somewhere Boullier i think was quoted that teh Car is still in Launch Spec, so there is much more to come.
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frosty125 wrote:Pretty radical diffuser on the MP4-30, I wonder what the benefits of opening up the sides and relying on airflow to seal the diffuser.
Diffuser outer walls can only come down to the step-plane, which is 50(?) mm higher than reference/main plane. Then figure in the increased rake of the reference plane and the diffuser side walls end up being quite far off the ground.

The diffuser height relative to the main reference plane is very small nowadays anyway, per rule limitation. Current-gen Red Bull levels of rake result in the underside of the car resembling a wedged plane more than an old-school diffuser. Last year's RB diffuser certainly had a similar look with almost no sidewalls. A shame in some ways because the older diffusers were probably better car-porn, at least to my eye.

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test day end with water leak according to Amus :( :(

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