2 stroke thread (with occasional F1 relevance!)

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
manolis
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Hello.

At http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonFly.htm it has been added a video (it is the First Run of the PatATi prototype engine; enjoy the sound).

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Manolis Pattakos

uniflow
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Manolis, I've posted this before but here is a uniflow crank case charged twostroke at 9000 rpm, sounds great also. At 5.20 minutes on the video it's held at full throttle for some time. No melted pistons as I was told would happen.
Clicking sound is from transfering video from tape to digital.
https://youtu.be/uiXsPkP9jvw
https://youtu.be/BPr694nlUKE
Luc, you may be interested also.

manolis
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Hello uniflow.
Thanks for the youtube videos.

The PatATi Opposed Piston of the video is for a specific use: to power Portable Flyers.

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Two counter-rotating crankshafts share a common / compact combustion chamber (the loop scavenging allows a narrowing at the center of the cylinder making the combustion chamber more compact and more efficient without spoiling the scavenging efficiency; the narrowing in cooperation with the pistons creates two squeeze areas which improve the turbulence and swirl, resulting in faster and cleaner combustion).

With zero phase difference between the two crankshafts (which leaves the lightweight synchronizing mechanism completely unloaded) and the common combustion chamber (i.e. common pressure onto the two piston crowns), the basis of the engine (i.e. the body of the pilot) remains perfectly rid of inertia and of combustion vibrations.

The basis of the engine (i.e. the body of the pilot) needs not to provide any reaction torque (not even at extreme / instant changes of revs and load).

With the symmetric counter-rotating propellers and crankshafts, the total “gyroscopic rigidity” is zero, i.e. the engine with the propellers can “instantly” (as instantly as with the propellers stopped) vector to the desirable direction.

All the above constitute a true neutral propulsion unit for Portable Flyers: neither vibrations, nor reaction torque, nor gyroscopic rigidity; only a force that can be instantly and effortlessly vectored towards the desirable direction.

The propellers diameter (1m) and their direct driving from the two counter-rotating crankshafts limits the engine revs at 5,000rpm (wherein the propeller tip speed is M0.77 and the mean piston speed is only 13.3m/sec for reliability and fuel efficiency).

In case of emergency (for instance: overloaded take-off during a rescue) the revs can increase, say at 5,800 rpm giving a tip speed of M0.9)



Yves Rossy ( known as Jetman ) with his fixed-wing jetpack proves in practice the theory behind the pattakon Portable Flyers.

The video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czy0pXRRZcs with the two Jetmans in a “dogfight” above Dubai shows how easily and precisely the rider controls, with his body, the flight.

Rossy compromises with no take-off ability, no landing ability, no hovering ability, very small range, very small flight duration, less than poor fuel efficiency, extreme ownership and running cost.
With the fixed / solid wing on his back, Rossy has also to compromise with the top horizontal speed of his Flyer.
A retractable wing would be preferable: smaller (and with less drag) at high speeds, larger at lower speeds to provide the required lift; isn’t this what a wingsuiter does by extending or retracting his hands and legs?


No matter how useless (as a transportation means) seems today the JetPack of Rossy, Rossy shows the way. Rossy is doing a great and pioneering work.


If you look at a Personal Flyer as a serious transportation means, you will soon discover that the quantity of the mechanical energy (not power, energy) that eventually pulls or pushes the Flyer forwards (and needs to be carried at take off) is of vital importance.

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Manolis Pattakos

J.A.W.
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Great stuff Manolis..
Have you seen this interesting 2-stroke? http://www.insulatedpulseengine.com/
"Well, we knocked the bastard off!"

Ed Hilary on being 1st to top Mt Everest,
(& 1st to do a surface traverse across Antarctica,
in good Kiwi style - riding a Massey Ferguson farm
tractor - with a few extemporised mod's to hack the task).

gruntguru
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I hate it when the inventor makes a multitude of thermodynamic claims but provides no thermodynamic charts of the cycle to support his claims.
je suis charlie

manolis
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Hello JAW and thanks for the link.

According the link, the 2-stroke IPC engine incorporates an expansion buffer sequence summarized as follows:
1) Compression - 33mm BTC to 0.5mm BTC (**for 100mm stroke)
2) Ignition – 0.5mm BTC
3) Combustion – 0.5mm BTC to 0.5mm ATC
4) Conventional expansion – 0.5mm ATC to 33mm ATC
5) Hyper-expansion – 33mm ATC to 58mm ATC
6) Expansion buffering - 58mm ATC to 67mm ATC
7) Induction - 67mm ATC to 90mm BTC
8 Exhaustion - 95mm ATC to 33mm BTC
According their drawings / data, the mass of each reciprocating cylinder-liner (at a stroke 60% of the piston stroke) is about 3Kg (6.5 lb).

From the 100mm geometrical piston stroke, only the 33mm are used for the compression (i.e. the 1/3).

Starting with a heavy (due to its architecture) engine of 3.14 lt capacity (of increased friction due to the additional heavy reciprocating parts and bearings), they end up with the power output of a conventional 1.04 lt engine.

Reasonably they can achieve a high indicated efficiency, but it is questionable whether it can be translated into a good fuel efficiency.


Wouldn’t it be better if they could use the over-expansion selectively?
Or if they could use a conventional 4-stroke engine basic structure?
Or if they could combine top power density with top fuel efficiency?


Take a look at the PatAir at http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonHydro.htm

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It runs as a conventional engine when the requirement is lots of power, it runs at light loads on over-expansion (in a greater degree that the engine of the link): an unlimited Miller Cycle.
For the rest, it is a conventional four-stroke engine.

Take also a look at the “desmodromic” version of the PatAir (it is the HyDesmo at http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonHyDesmo.htm )

Thanks
Manolis Pattakos

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FW17
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Was this ever made into a real engine?

Was that a generator behind the turbo?

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Andres125sx
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Manolis, sorry to say this, but you got the biggest posible competitor :o


The US Army to develop Hoverbike


manolis
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Hello Andrew125sx.

Malloy / Survice are talking with US Army for a hoverbike (a rescue vehicle for trapped troops, I think).

Malloy’s first prototype (based on two rotors) is using a BMW boxer engine.

Do you know what engine the US Army is gonna use for their hoverbike?


Did you see Rossy with his partner flying and making aerobatics above Dubai?



With his four Jet-engines Rossy has several limitations (only ten minutes of flight duration with 25Kg of fuel, no take-off capacity, no landing capacity, need for a helicopter for the initial lift etc).

Imagine what Rossy could do with the right propulsion unit



For more: http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonFly.htm and http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonPatAT.htm

Thanks
Manolis Pattakos

gruntguru
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Manolis. It is difficult to see the mechanism used to synchronise the crankshafts in your video.
je suis charlie

manolis
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Hello Gruntguru.

The photo below shows the synchronizing mechanism used:

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The two sprockets are from Honda Civic VTEC B16A2 engine (here is a modified to "pattakon VVA-roller" cylinder head, with the sprockets at right:

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more at



http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonRollerLight.htm

http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonIdleValve.htm

http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonRoller.htm

http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonVtec.htm

At the edges of the sprockets they are secured "peripheral stops" keeping the belt in place "axially".


The tooth belt is conventional and comes from an Opel Agila.

A better, yet more unconventional, solution is presented at http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonPatBelt.htm (twisted tooth belt).


With the two crankshafts synchronized (zero phase difference), the timing belt runs unloaded during operation (only at cranking the timing belt transfers significant load).

The zero phase difference between the two crankshafts of the PatATi Opposed Piston engine enables perfect balancing (true vibration-free operation, including all inertia and all combustion vibrations; a Wankel rotary and the best V-8 and V-12 cannot help transmitting combustion pulses - i.e. vibrations - to their mounts).

While in the conventional Opposed Piston engines zero phase difference between the two crankshafts necessarily means symmetric timing,
in the case of the PatATi OP things are different: its architecture creates strong asymmetry for the intake and the transfer processes even with zero phase difference between the crankshafts:

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For more: http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonPatAT.htm

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Manolis Pattakos

uniflow
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LucF wrote:
uniflow wrote:
LucF wrote:I would be quiet too and not believe it, but the truth is different

https://www.facebook.com/mcd.twist.9/po ... nref=story

Kind regards,
Luc
Luc, show us some evidence
The evidence will come later, so please have some patient.
There is a reason why we have to wait for this.
Ok Luc, the cats out of the bag now as we know what going on, can you fill us in on the details now?

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uniflow wrote:
Ok Luc, the cats out of the bag now as we know what going on, can you fill us in on the details now?
Very soon Uniflow

uniflow
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LucF wrote:
uniflow wrote:
Ok Luc, the cats out of the bag now as we know what going on, can you fill us in on the details now?
Very soon Uniflow
Can't wait Luc, Ive got one constructed here, fourstroke bottom end via a "guide" to the twostroke top end. Burns no oil, same as yours. Just working on the details of the port time / area / PRESSURE, so we also get gas flow into a cylinder with poor blowdown ( high RPM ). Non supercharged, all leagal, like yours. Intersting things can be done when the piston no longer needs to wear on the cylinder wall.

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