Well you were talking LMP and Wilson kept getting brought it.Andres125sx wrote:Who said it´s ok to have deaths in feeder series? But last time I checked this was F1T, so we discuss about F1 safety.
Also, feeder series always follow F1 route when aplicable, like HANS, implemented by F1, then used everywhere.
I´ll skip some other nosense arguments I´ve read talking about bicycles, bridades or realities of life...
Comparing deaths in motorsports as a whole is absurd. Including in same stats deaths in F1 and deaths in NASCAR is comparing apples to oranges, too different cars, too diffferent tracks... But if you compare single seaters with open cockpits, then exposed heads relevance increase the percentage noticeably, specially in modern days when most of the dangerous factors have been minimized.theblackangus wrote:Deaths by head blows by objects from outside the car are likely very far down the list of motorsports related deaths (as a whole, but maybe not). Does anyone have any solid stats around motorsport deaths at all levels of racing say for 10 years, that would be interesting to see?
Agree on this, I was focused on F1 safety but this is Bianchi´s thread so I´ll stop the cockpit discussion here, and I think most of us agree in this case a closed cockpit probably would have changed nothing.theblackangus wrote:At any rate we should have another thread around "Motorsports safety" that isn't Jules related
No its not absurd, thats like saying looking at health trends is absurd because of xyz conditions being different. Maybe in the way you envisioned my statement, but if you take broad look across all categories it would be interesting to see which categories have the most injuries and what they are and why. I'm saying if goal is to help stop harm then pick where you can do the most good with the effort. After the goal of safety shouldn't be just making celebrities safe.Andres125sx wrote:Comparing deaths in motorsports as a whole is absurd. Including in same stats deaths in F1 and deaths in NASCAR is comparing apples to oranges, too different cars, too diffferent tracks... But if you compare single seaters with open cockpits, then exposed heads relevance increase the percentage noticeably, specially in modern days when most of the dangerous factors have been minimized.theblackangus wrote:Deaths by head blows by objects from outside the car are likely very far down the list of motorsports related deaths (as a whole, but maybe not). Does anyone have any solid stats around motorsport deaths at all levels of racing say for 10 years, that would be interesting to see?
The one thing they must do is spend as much time looking at how any changes can make things worse as well as better. IndyCar is a good lesson. They designed a hole into the aero package to reduce the chance of the cars taking off in an accident. It worked very well and everyone was happy. Then the cars started to take off if they were spun round and were going backwards at 200mph. The very same hole that helped when going forwards made the cars more likely to take off when going backwards! Unintended consequences must always be considered in any solution.Jolle wrote: Sit down with people who know their stuff and come up with more then simple add-ons on the current car design. Since the introduction of the headrests it's been all patches and add-ons.
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