Thank God someone gets it.Manoah2u wrote:it was clear vettel cut them off, if vettel had not cut them that sharp NOBODY would have been hit, and everybody came out unscarred and max praised for his daring move, though kimi would have still kept in front of him afterwards. stop blaming max for vettel's fault, really. Exegaration over the top. Complaining how F1 has become a wuss sport, but the biggest wussies are the supposed fans that scream blood and murder when the glory days action happens on track instead of boring i have no b*lls and will use DRS like a wuss. Senna a hero, Schumacher a hero, Mansell a hero, all did exactly the same. and again, the fault was not with max, the fault was with seb vettel slamming into his own teammate for crying out loud. he probably would even had that 2nd place if he went a bit more wide, he had great traction in the corner and would have been right on the tail of Nico Rosberg.
Meanwhile , nobody noticing how awful DannyRic's start was?
I don't disagree with you on Max but Seb didn't leave any room on the inside for Kimi and he hit Kimi before Kimi made contact with Max. Seb went straight for the apex like it was a qualifying lap when he should have stayed wide, given room to Kimi and he would have came out in front of them.Schuttelberg wrote:Disagree, strongly. I think Max's move was fine, as was Vettel's. It's the first lap, people are racing, accidents will happen. Kimi was absolutely helpless, like Seb was at China. It's racing, it happens.carisi2k wrote:Since Seb hit Kimi first. I would suggest that the incident was Sebs fault. I feel that Seb would have hit Kimi even if Max wasn't down the inside. Max should maybe have shown some caution and stayed out of the way instead of going for a small gap. Some people may say this is similar to Kyvats move in China but I would call BS on that. Kyvat had a gap that you could park a tank in. Max did not.
What's beyond tolerable is Max's attitude in and post race. Seems to me like he has a lot of growing up to do.
I see nothing wrong here. Max did OK. A dangerous move. Badly timed, but legal. Similar to what Rosberg has done on a few occasions. Next time Kimi has to make his move earlier to force Max to make his one move earlier too, then overtake on the left and hope to hit the brakes later.dans79 wrote:Initially no, but his driving this year is making it an absolute yes. As I and others have said, his driving is going to get himself, or someone else severely injured or killed. He's like Maldonado right now, a danger to everyone around him. And just because someone else did it in the past, and got away with it doesn't make it right!!!Manoah2u wrote:...dans79 wrote:
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He braked so late, he couldn't even keep his own car on the track (12 seconds in).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0D79b ... u.be&t=12s
If Kimi hits him at this speed he is going airborne, and would easily clear the catch fence. (1:20 in).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0D79b ... be&t=1m20s
Then why was Max not penalized like Rosberg in Germany?PlatinumZealot wrote:I see nothing wrong here. Max did OK. A dangerous move. Badly timed, but legal. Similar to what Rosberg has done on a few occasions. Next time Kimi has to make his move earlier to force Max to make his one move earlier too, then overtake on the left and hope to hit the brakes later.dans79 wrote:Initially no, but his driving this year is making it an absolute yes. As I and others have said, his driving is going to get himself, or someone else severely injured or killed. He's like Maldonado right now, a danger to everyone around him. And just because someone else did it in the past, and got away with it doesn't make it right!!!Manoah2u wrote:
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He braked so late, he couldn't even keep his own car on the track (12 seconds in).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0D79b ... u.be&t=12s
If Kimi hits him at this speed he is going airborne, and would easily clear the catch fence. (1:20 in).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0D79b ... be&t=1m20s
Vettel did leave enough space but Kimi could not turn in beause of Max insidecarisi2k wrote:I don't disagree with you on Max but Seb didn't leave any room on the inside for Kimi and he hit Kimi before Kimi made contact with Max. Seb went straight for the apex like it was a qualifying lap when he should have stayed wide, given room to Kimi and he would have came out in front of them.
If Kimi had done that he would have gotten out of the tow. You have to stay behind the car till the last second to successfully get a tow and pass the car in front.PlatinumZealot wrote:I see nothing wrong here. Max did OK. A dangerous move. Badly timed, but legal. Similar to what Rosberg has done on a few occasions. Next time Kimi has to make his move earlier to force Max to make his one move earlier too, then overtake on the left and hope to hit the brakes later.dans79 wrote:Initially no, but his driving this year is making it an absolute yes. As I and others have said, his driving is going to get himself, or someone else severely injured or killed. He's like Maldonado right now, a danger to everyone around him. And just because someone else did it in the past, and got away with it doesn't make it right!!!Manoah2u wrote:
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He braked so late, he couldn't even keep his own car on the track (12 seconds in).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0D79b ... u.be&t=12s
If Kimi hits him at this speed he is going airborne, and would easily clear the catch fence. (1:20 in).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0D79b ... be&t=1m20s
Every driver knows they need to watch what the other cars are doing before turning in, this is racing 101. Kimi clearly was watching Max as he adjusted his line, but Seb didn't and he caused the crash as a result.LionKing wrote:Vettel did leave enough space but Kimi could not turn in beause of Max insidecarisi2k wrote:I don't disagree with you on Max but Seb didn't leave any room on the inside for Kimi and he hit Kimi before Kimi made contact with Max. Seb went straight for the apex like it was a qualifying lap when he should have stayed wide, given room to Kimi and he would have came out in front of them.
https://s21.postimg.org/bdd2b17k7/Belgium_II.jpg
So the drivers are all supposed to be omniscient now?djos wrote: Every driver knows they need to watch what the other cars are doing before turning in, this is racing 101. Kimi clearly was watching Max as he adjusted his line, but Seb didn't and he caused the crash as a result.
Nathanael F1 wrote: Then Verstappen runs two drivers off the track on the same corner so badly that even he can't stay on the track, no penalty. Someone help me reconcile this!
https://youtu.be/PuAwa9SqcI4NathanOlder wrote:I'm still waiting to see some onboard footage from either Lewis or Fernando at the start. Can't seem to find anything anywhere!a