These are all simulator values from the teams for Pirelli, compared to end 2015 for 6 tracks. Pirelli showed this to all teams in order to persuade them to test at Bahrain, that's why other teams can "judge" them, but not automatically say which team is which, because they changed the team names to "team 1, team 2" etc. Though basic logic can give you an idea which team is which (Honda has the most hp gains, RBR's Aero values.) Values include Output, Power, top speeds, lap times. They get updated every few months and get more and more realistic.
Teams gave their views on the leaks: Horner : No one is showing their cards Bouillier : Some fantasy values Symonds : most of this data can be thrown out of the window, unrealistic
2 Teams expect 130% output, 2 teams aim for 105%, Red Bull for 115% one team 128%. FIA expects more teams to achieve the higher number (~30%), some teams achieved this already because of their early focus on 2017.
Honda expects 22% (200hp) more power for 2017, most teams are aiming for 10-17% more power. putting all engines well over 1000hp (ICE+ERS) (mercedes was "well over" 900 hp at the end of 2015 according to an Andy Cowell interview, which would put a "worst case" scenario Mercedes engine at 900hp+10% = 990hp, but realistically a 950 HP number would put it around 1045hp for 2017.
Top speeds: Most teams expect drastically lower top speeds (92% of current speeds estimated by one team) because of the increased aero drag and larger tyres. Only one team expects to be 13% quicker, "If this is true, we messed up" according to Pat Symonds. Could either be Sauber with massive Aero gains, or the AMuS fabled long-wheelbase RBR contender.
Barcelona lap times in the simulator are between 1:17.3 and 1:18.5 for all teams, except for "Team 3" (RBR) which is currently achieving 1:16.4 in the sims and the slowest team (team 9), targeting 1:21.8. "If this is true, they're (RBR) the next CWC" - Mercedes. lap times are about 5 seconds quicker than this year's Pole lap. 2015 FL was 1:25.3. WEB's 2010 lap record is 1:19.99
It's compared to 2015 engine, not this years engine. So to me its very plausible ...bonjon1979 wrote:There's some big differences there. Just wonder if it might be in some teams interests to exaggerate their performance to encourage Pirelli to make harder tyres. It'd be great if Honda do manage to improve their engine by 22% (if that is them) but somehow I doubt it.
Without question it'll be one of the most interesting pre-season tests for a long time. Tempted to go out there!
Fuel usage isn't an issue at most tracks, it's not straight line speed that holds them back it's grip around the turns. That's where the gain is coming from, tires that don't disintegrate, and 30% more aero than we have now.stevesingo wrote:I think there will be a big reduction in qualifying lap times, but race pace not so much due to the increased drag effecting fuel usage over a race distance.
More chance to recover from the turbine.stevesingo wrote:Larger tyres=more drag and more grip
Larger wings=more drag and more grip
more grip = shorter brake distances (less MGU-K recovery) and higher apex speeds=higher average speed
higher average speed=more time at higher throttle openings=more fuel use.
Wider tyres; more fuel and wider wings/body already add a lot of weight.flickerf1 wrote:Does anyone know why the cars don't have a lower weight?
As mentioned in that article, a lot of those numbers are probably made up, and there often is a huge difference between the numbers. One team saying they'll be 8% slower on the straights while another claims they'll be 13% faster - that sounds very much impossible to me (unless one of the engine manufacturers performs a miracle and creates a monster-engine that's even more powerful than the Mercedes-PU).