2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by etusch » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:28 pm

I have a better idea
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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by Vasconia » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:14 am

diffuser wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:13 pm
Chassis was a mess at Monaco.
Perhaps the car has no mechanical grip. In Barcelona they showed that at least they have some downforce on fast corners.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by adrianjordan » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:36 am

With the talk around of rebadging a Merc PU for 2018, if they don't have a sponsor to pay for it by then, why not have some fun and rebadge it as a TAG PU.... Mansour Ojjeh still owns that group (even though they sold off Tag Heuer in 1999.

Would be a nice in-joke to the fact that RBR's PU is also rebadged and also revive the McLaren TAG naming from the 80's....

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by GoranF1 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:01 am

Latest rumors suggesst swap of PU manufactures whit Williams.
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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by Stormy » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:42 am

GoranF1 wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:01 am
Latest rumors suggesst swap of PU manufactures whit Williams.
Yeah, and this makes more sense than making Sauber their works team. Williams is a better brand and are more capable of designing a good chassis as they already have great engineers in place like Lowe.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by Vasconia » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:42 am
GoranF1 wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:01 am
Latest rumors suggesst swap of PU manufactures whit Williams.
Yeah, and this makes more sense than making Sauber their works team. Williams is a better brand and are more capable of designing a good chassis as they already have great engineers in place like Lowe.
Williams hasn´t built a truly good chasis in a while. They have been competitive thanks to the Mercedes PU and where a realy good chasis was required the car was weaker. Don´t me wrong, the chasis was not bad but it wan´t a top one.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by diffuser » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:34 pm

Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:42 am
GoranF1 wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:01 am
Latest rumors suggesst swap of PU manufactures whit Williams.
Yeah, and this makes more sense than making Sauber their works team. Williams is a better brand and are more capable of designing a good chassis as they already have great engineers in place like Lowe.
I think it makes more sense from the stand point that Honda want to supply 2 teams in 2018. I guess with Lowe's recent arrival there, they're not planning on getting anywhere close to the front of the grid next year anyways.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by Stormy » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:49 pm

diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:34 pm
Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:42 am
GoranF1 wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:01 am
Latest rumors suggesst swap of PU manufactures whit Williams.
Yeah, and this makes more sense than making Sauber their works team. Williams is a better brand and are more capable of designing a good chassis as they already have great engineers in place like Lowe.
I think it makes more sense from the stand point that Honda want to supply 2 teams in 2018. I guess with Lowe's recent arrival there, they're not planning on getting anywhere close to the front of the grid next year anyways.
What do you mean they are not planning to get to the front of the next year with Lowe? They will always aim for fourth in the WCC. However, they can't aim for WCC when they lack resources. However, if they become a works team they are capable of doing that. They got Lowe now so it's a step forward.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by etusch » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:20 pm

Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:49 pm
diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:34 pm
Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:42 am


Yeah, and this makes more sense than making Sauber their works team. Williams is a better brand and are more capable of designing a good chassis as they already have great engineers in place like Lowe.
I think it makes more sense from the stand point that Honda want to supply 2 teams in 2018. I guess with Lowe's recent arrival there, they're not planning on getting anywhere close to the front of the grid next year anyways.
What do you mean they are not planning to get to the front of the next year with Lowe? They will always aim for fourth in the WCC. However, they can't aim for WCC when they lack resources. However, if they become a works team they are capable of doing that. They got Lowe now so it's a step forward.
I accept that they have potential to be one of the bests. But I don't accept lowe name. I think team needs a mantality change at management.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by ZakB » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:47 pm

Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:42 am
GoranF1 wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:01 am
Latest rumors suggesst swap of PU manufactures whit Williams.
Yeah, and this makes more sense than making Sauber their works team. Williams is a better brand and are more capable of designing a good chassis as they already have great engineers in place like Lowe.
Let me rephrase that: "as they already have engineers and Lowe."

In the last couple of years I haven't seen anything special come from Williams. The only good thing they did is sign Mercedes.

Some people think resources and money are the same things, but they ain't.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by diffuser » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:31 pm

Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:49 pm
diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:34 pm
Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:42 am


Yeah, and this makes more sense than making Sauber their works team. Williams is a better brand and are more capable of designing a good chassis as they already have great engineers in place like Lowe.
I think it makes more sense from the stand point that Honda want to supply 2 teams in 2018. I guess with Lowe's recent arrival there, they're not planning on getting anywhere close to the front of the grid next year anyways.
What do you mean they are not planning to get to the front of the next year with Lowe? They will always aim for fourth in the WCC. However, they can't aim for WCC when they lack resources. However, if they become a works team they are capable of doing that. They got Lowe now so it's a step forward.

I mean they don't expect the chassis to be ready to win races next year. Maybe not till 2019 or 2020. Lowe doesn't just show up and magically everything start to work like a charm.. It took Newey 3 years to start challenging with RB.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by ZakB » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:37 pm

diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:31 pm
Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:49 pm
diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:34 pm


I think it makes more sense from the stand point that Honda want to supply 2 teams in 2018. I guess with Lowe's recent arrival there, they're not planning on getting anywhere close to the front of the grid next year anyways.
What do you mean they are not planning to get to the front of the next year with Lowe? They will always aim for fourth in the WCC. However, they can't aim for WCC when they lack resources. However, if they become a works team they are capable of doing that. They got Lowe now so it's a step forward.

I mean they don't expect the chassis to be ready to win races next year. Maybe not till 2019 or 2020. Lowe doesn't just show up and magically everything start to work like a charm.. It took Newey 3 years to start challenging with RB.
Even with support from Honda, they wouldn't be anywhere close to the budget of Red Bull. I'm pretty sure their facilities are also dated compared to the rest of the leading teams (and McLaren/Renault).

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by Stormy » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:45 pm

diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:31 pm
Stormy wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:49 pm
diffuser wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:34 pm


I think it makes more sense from the stand point that Honda want to supply 2 teams in 2018. I guess with Lowe's recent arrival there, they're not planning on getting anywhere close to the front of the grid next year anyways.
What do you mean they are not planning to get to the front of the next year with Lowe? They will always aim for fourth in the WCC. However, they can't aim for WCC when they lack resources. However, if they become a works team they are capable of doing that. They got Lowe now so it's a step forward.

I mean they don't expect the chassis to be ready to win races next year. Maybe not till 2019 or 2020. Lowe doesn't just show up and magically everything start to work like a charm.. It took Newey 3 years to start challenging with RB.
Well they can't win races as a customer team. Maybe one or two then and there but...definitely not the championship.

As for dated facilities, i guess they can do something on that field with Honda money as well.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by Ganxxta » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Sure, why not.

At Le Mans Porsche had 1x Hybrid failure and 1x Engine failure (oil pressure) in 2 cars...
So at least McLaren wouldn't have to get used to new things then ;)

And don't come now with "but they won", in F1 there is more than 1 competitor and you can't repair your car during the race.

Still I have more respect for Porsche and Toyota than for Honda, just saying that it would take Porsche maybe also a couple years to build a reliable and powerful F1 engine.
And by that time Alonso would be gone, so even the last few sponsors would leave as well, no money would come to McL as they would fight for the last places and therefore they would be on the edge of bankruptcy.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by ZakB » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:33 pm

Ganxxta wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:17 pm
Sure, why not.

At Le Mans Porsche had 1x Hybrid failure and 1x Engine failure (oil pressure) in 2 cars...
So at least McLaren wouldn't have to get used to new things then ;)

And don't come now with "but they won", in F1 there is more than 1 competitor and you can't repair your car during the race.

Still I have more respect for Porsche and Toyota than for Honda, just saying that it would take Porsche maybe also a couple years to build a reliable and powerful F1 engine.
And by that time Alonso would be gone, so even the last few sponsors would leave as well, no money would come to McL as they would fight for the last places and therefore they would be on the edge of bankruptcy.
Like McLaren wants engines from Porsche or Ferrari, it's not going to happen for obvious reasons.



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