@phil Seems i mistook your point.
Putting it like that, yes, it has not been beneficial for him to move from Ferrari to Mclaren,
but on the other hand, how would people - not only the fans - look at him if he still was lingering on in Ferrari, hoping and fighting
for something that never is going to be - something Vettel might also sooner or later discover.
There has also been talk that Alonso didn't do on good foot with the new management, which further motivated him to leave Ferrari.
The only other place he could have been which would have been interesting is Mercedes - and that door was closed up untill last year.
It's also logical there is some time involved before picking up the fruits from an 'investment', that same went for Lewis when he changed
a still hopeful Mclaren though already dwindling down for Mercedes, where things didn't look so rosey and Schumacher was leaving, whom
couldn't achieve much either there.
The result didn't come first year either though offcourse it wasn't as dramatic as with Honda.
As for the blackmail thing, i don't think the finger can be pointed infinitaly at Alonso for that. Yes he was the 'whistleblower', but he was not the
cause of Mclaren's spygate scandal. That was Mclaren, Alonso 'merely' was at the wrong place at the wrong time and decided to not keep things to
It's interesting that Mclaren - including Ron Dennis - took him back no sweat, so i do wonder if it was so sour at all in regards to Alonso vs Mclaren.
And it's still a lot of ifs, IF he stayed.
IF Crashgate didn't happen, Massa might have been WDC and Lewis not.
IF he stayed at Mclaren, he could have 'stolen' enough wins from Lewis that he didn't become WDC, but the points total would have also meant that it remains a big if
whether he had a chance at the title and if Massa didn't walk away with it easier.
IF, If, if. that didn't happen.
He was at Ferrari since 2010 to 2014, that's 5 seasons, and 3 times was runner up for the WDC.
He has some bad luck though, he could for example been driving for RedBull in the RB4 and onwards, which would have seen him compete for the WDC in 2009 and onwards.
That didn't happen, but can you really blame him? RedBull was not the name back then that it has now, even though Adrian Newey went there. Who expected Brawn to snatch the
title in 2009 with Button?
He did the right thing to move to Ferrari for 2010 in some areas. He won several races and drove for the reds. Who wouldn't want to? Would it be a mistake for Perez to go for Ferrari instead of staying at Force India and PERHAPS getting the same results, and with Vettel there surely not a WDC title?
Alonso had a great stint at Ferrari but ultimately didn't get what he wanted with them, another title. I don't think Alonso is really the one to blame there. At one point you must decide to call it quits. he did, and went to Mclaren instead, knowingly that the first 2 years the least would not be an improvement. He specifically mentioned 'judge me in 3 years'.
So, 2015 season saw him start with Mclaren. That means if a Ferrari driver became WDC in 3 years including that season, he would have made the wrong decision.
2015 - nope. 2016 - nope. 2017 - perhaps.
he never specifically said judge my decision on whether i'm a WDC with Mclaren in the next 3 years. He simply mentioned if Ferrari became WDC in those years, it would have been - with hindsight - not the best decision.
And though 2017 is unfolding into a possible WDC title for Vettel with Ferrari, we're just half way there and a whole lot of bad luck and tech penalties for Lewis, with Vettel only 1 point ahead and Ferrari seemingly losing out the development battle to Mercedes after starting strong and promising. I must say, the faces at the Ferrari camp aren't looking too cheerful either, whereas Mercedes seems to be much calmer now.
So we could very well be seeing a repeat of 2012 and Alonso other runner-up battles, though it must be said only 2012 was really there for the taking, had it not been for Petrov being as wide as Max, Alonso could have won that title. And to be honest, i think that's exactly what is going to happen.
Hamilton imho - not fanboying here at all - is in a much better mental state compared to Vettel right now, and therefor, mentally has the edge. Prime example of Vettel's mental state was Baku. Vettel has to mature there still. When he eventually does, he will be a much stronger opponent then he already is, because Vettel definately IS a very worthy opponent.
But when he eventually loses out to the title, then Alonso's claim still stands.
And then 2018 will arrive and will be the judge all. 2017 is exciting but 2018 will be on another level i'd say. What will happen to Ferrari? What will RedBull do? What will Mclaren do?
Where will Alonso go? What will Mercedes do? Who will Ferrari sign? What will Renault do? What will Honda do aside of Mclaren? What will Kubica do?
Those 3 difficult painful years with Mclaren will quickly be forgotten when he grabs a win with Mclaren, or fight and hopefully grab the 2018 title with Mclaren-Honda [still hope].
And that would make those 3 years not only worth it, it would bury his Ferrari stint and put his Mclaren stint above it, and really, put Mclaren above Ferrari. It would also mean Mclaren turns out to be the only team that beats Mercedes since 2014 after 4 seasons of dominating [ala RedBull]. It would do a whole lot for the comptetition too making Mclaren a place to be again, and surely, continue his stint with Mclaren for another season IF there are healthy prospects of batteling for the WDC again the year after.
Either way, i don't think Alonso is eying a 4-WDC trophy on his list. I think he'll cal it quits when he snatches his 3rd and go for LeMans and indy.
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