Extra power from oil additives during the race.

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by gruntguru » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:26 am

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:44 am
From street car engine tuning we know that oil is bad.... When was this paradigm shift where burning oil is good now?
The day they created a rule to limit power by limiting the rate that hydrocarbons can be admitted to the cylinders.
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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by J.A.W. » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:06 am

gruntguru wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:26 am
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:44 am
From street car engine tuning we know that oil is bad.... When was this paradigm shift where burning oil is good now?
The day they created a rule to limit power by limiting the rate that hydrocarbons can be admitted to the cylinders.
Yep.. & despite micro-managing the rules, totally (ah, actually Petronas-ly) ' let this one through to the keeper'..

& Scarb's report.. reads rather like a basic summary of this thread, as it happens..
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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by hardingfv32 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:22 pm

If this subject is about adding additives that are not allowed in the fuel supply… what might they be?

Tetraethyl lead for knock control? Is this the best knock control additive by quantity.

Some kind of oxygenate for more power? Seems like this would have required too much volume?

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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by Tommy Cookers » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:32 pm

nickel carbonyl is nearly as good an octane booster as TEL

and remember that some natural (at trace level) and so legal gasoline constituents are very responsive to OBs
constituents like the stuff that was in manufacturer quantities called 'Triptane'

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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by flynfrog » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:43 pm

hardingfv32 wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:22 pm
If this subject is about adding additives that are not allowed in the fuel supply… what might they be?

Tetraethyl lead for knock control? Is this the best knock control additive by quantity.

Some kind of oxygenate for more power? Seems like this would have required too much volume?

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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by NL_Fer » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:28 pm

I remember the start of Spa last year, smelled like kerosine from a plane taking off. Only at the start, during the race dod not smelled it again.

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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by gruntguru » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:33 pm

NL_Fer wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:28 pm
I remember the start of Spa last year, smelled like kerosine from a plane taking off. Only at the start, during the race dod not smelled it again.
If you were to design a lubricating oil that would also combust effectively in these engines, I would imagine it would burn with a kerosene smell.
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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by PlatinumZealot » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:15 pm

gruntguru wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:26 am
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:44 am
From street car engine tuning we know that oil is bad.... When was this paradigm shift where burning oil is good now?
The day they created a rule to limit power by limiting the rate that hydrocarbons can be admitted to the cylinders.
Yes Guru, agreed but if it were that easy all the teams would be masters of oil burning. So there is something to it why the other teams aren't just simply sniffing the maximum oil vapours they can get away with.
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Re: Extra power from oil additives during the race.

Post by hardingfv32 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:03 pm

gruntguru wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:33 pm
...I would imagine it would burn with a kerosene smell.
Current F1 lubricant formulations in all probability have nothing to do with traditional oil based lubricants. There is absolutely no reason to expect a smell like kerosene or anything else you are familiar with.

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