Ferrari Power Unit

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by godlameroso » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:03 pm

10hp where? Mercedes is still ahead of Ferrari, over both race distance, and in a single lap, the Mercedes can sustain it's power longer than Ferrari can. Ferrari engine is close enough that their great chassis can bridge the gap in most tracks. However the Mercedes engine is still the one to beat.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by ripper » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:33 pm

hurril wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:46 pm
ripper wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:06 pm
Well IF it is true it would be a huge jump, but if you consider that MER pu has already more or less 20 HP more and still has many development months ahead, those supposed 50 hp might be sufficient "just" to be on par with the Germans. Assuming that they don't have other aces in the sleeve
Where did you get those 20hp from?
Well I used as a reference this tweet from one guy that writes for http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/
Per vincere il mondiale, Ferrari non poteva aprire ulteriormente il gap di 20-25 CV tra EVO 4 Mercedes e sua EVO 3. Ci hanno provato
Short translation: he says that there are about 20-25 HP between MER's evo4 and FER evo3

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by MrPotatoHead » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:08 am

etusch wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:00 pm
50 hp additional power for 2018? That's huge improvement.
Well Mercedes have gained 50HP over the last year just from Fuel.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by PlatinumZealot » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:43 am

That figure is about right when you go from 47% thermal efficiency to 50%. They did gain a little under 50hp.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by HPD » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:18 am

It is assumed that at least Ferrari runs with different types of oil, stores them in at least three tanks and, if necessary, mixes them in such a way that they are used as a performance-promoting additive in the combustion process. The rules do not prohibit the use of different oils.

The transfer into the cylinders is theoretically based on extremely low-viscosity oils, which create it from below on the piston rings into the combustion chamber. This would only make sense for the fast qualifying rounds. Over a longer distance, the engine would be affected.

The other trick is to use the gases generated during the oil / air separation as a power aid. They must be blown back into the intake manifold according to regulations. However, the consistency of the oil must correspond to that measured by the FIA ​​before the race. Who intermeshes an oil with the other tank, has a problem with the technical acceptance afterwards.
The suspicion against Ferrari has been reinforced since the first pictures of the open Ferrari rear. The engine problems in the starting position revealed, among other things, the view of an elongated container above the cylinder head. Many would like to know what's in there.

What does the OVR button do at Ferrari?

An oil mix, which is generated during the driving operation by selective mixing of liquids, should be drained before the end of the race, so that it is not discovered during the technical inspection. The warning lights went on when Vettel was asked to press the OVR button three times in Monza. At a time when his position in the race was safe, he needed no extra power.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... 47718.html

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by MrPotatoHead » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:11 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:43 am
That figure is about right when you go from 47% thermal efficiency to 50%. They did gain a little under 50hp.
The 50HP number was given to me by a Mercedes F1 Team employee so I believe it. :D

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by MrPotatoHead » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:16 pm

HPD wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:18 am
It is assumed that at least Ferrari runs with different types of oil, stores them in at least three tanks and, if necessary, mixes them in such a way that they are used as a performance-promoting additive in the combustion process. The rules do not prohibit the use of different oils.

The transfer into the cylinders is theoretically based on extremely low-viscosity oils, which create it from below on the piston rings into the combustion chamber. This would only make sense for the fast qualifying rounds. Over a longer distance, the engine would be affected.

The other trick is to use the gases generated during the oil / air separation as a power aid. They must be blown back into the intake manifold according to regulations. However, the consistency of the oil must correspond to that measured by the FIA ​​before the race. Who intermeshes an oil with the other tank, has a problem with the technical acceptance afterwards.
The suspicion against Ferrari has been reinforced since the first pictures of the open Ferrari rear. The engine problems in the starting position revealed, among other things, the view of an elongated container above the cylinder head. Many would like to know what's in there.

What does the OVR button do at Ferrari?

An oil mix, which is generated during the driving operation by selective mixing of liquids, should be drained before the end of the race, so that it is not discovered during the technical inspection. The warning lights went on when Vettel was asked to press the OVR button three times in Monza. At a time when his position in the race was safe, he needed no extra power.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... 47718.html
What a garbage article linked there.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by roon » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:12 pm

HPD wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:18 am
The suspicion against Ferrari has been reinforced since the first pictures of the open Ferrari rear. The engine problems in the starting position revealed, among other things, the view of an elongated container above the cylinder head. Many would like to know what's in there.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... 47718.html
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by MrPotatoHead » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:34 pm

roon wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:12 pm
HPD wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:18 am
The suspicion against Ferrari has been reinforced since the first pictures of the open Ferrari rear. The engine problems in the starting position revealed, among other things, the view of an elongated container above the cylinder head. Many would like to know what's in there.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... 47718.html
All i know is I see parts I was involved with in those pictures 8)

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:09 am

The rubber hoses? Yeah, good job!
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by MrPotatoHead » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:07 am

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:09 am
The rubber hoses? Yeah, good job!
Far from it... but that made me laugh!

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by NL_Fer » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:02 am

50hp ? Looking at the Q results i believe it. But they never seem to use it during the race. It must be on the edge of engine wear/damage.

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by Dino Scuderia » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:30 am

50Hp is at the bench with optimal cooling and conditions, on the car its less then that due to the more heat and G-loads from the corners

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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by dren » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:13 pm

MrPotatoHead wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:07 am
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:09 am
The rubber hoses? Yeah, good job!
Far from it... but that made me laugh!
Impressive crimping technique.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit

Post by PlatinumZealot » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:01 am

Yes. Very involved. He sold Sassi the hose crimp set. :mrgreen:
F1 grade stuff.
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