2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by Thunders » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:49 am

restless wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:36 am
RTFM
Honda. as part of the 100mln sponsorship.
So, whats your point?
Nothing about that was ever from an official Source.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by restless » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:33 am

Nothing about "alonso sponsors" was official either. Nor unofficial.
So why claiming "Alonso doesn't bring sponsor money" is worse than claiming "Alonso brings money" ?
McLaren budget WAS published. Total figures are available to public. The 100mln per year from Honda was mentioned several times during last 3 years including from Mclaren officials.

Comparing the public Mclaren budget its obvious that ALL other sponsors add less than 50mln. So the claim is that ALL other sponsors do, is pay for Alonso salary?!
LOL

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by zeph » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:11 pm

Seems like folks forget, so a quick reminder: Honda has been paying Alonso's salary. It will be interesting to see who will pick up the tab.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by proteus » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:44 pm

superdowg316 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:49 am
In regards to Renault and Red Bull, they started working together in 2007, just after Renault won their second straight championship. They seemed to function well with the same equipment, even when Red Bull were beating them in 2009, 2010 and 2011. I’m sure they and McLaren will have the same deal, since a Renault powered car winning is better than no Renault winning. Plus McLaren are more civil than Red Bull.
U get what u pay. Mclaren will pay full package and they are obligated to give it to them, like Mclaren provides equal steering wheels and sensors to teams if im correct. The same lubricant provider is a good thing as well in this case.

Somewhat Renault has struck a homerun with getting Mclaren onboard, since they will have some insight of the Honda engine, about things that work and things that dont work, maybe they can make solutions of japanese problems and use them for their advantage. On the other hand, STR could be sent as an information gatherer for them completely unrelated to Mclaren.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by NL_Fer » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:52 pm

McLaren did not seem to be very usefull with Mercedes knowledge from 2014, when they went to Honda.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by adrianjordan » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:11 pm

NL_Fer wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:52 pm
McLaren did not seem to be very usefull with Mercedes knowledge from 2014, when they went to Honda.
Mclaren had very little access to the merc pu as ut was well known that they were going to Honda. They have been far more involved in the development of the Honda pu.
In 2007 I had the chance to go to a meet-and-greet with an F1 test driver. I decided not to as I didn't think he'd even amount to much...he was the BMW Sauber test driver and his name was Sebastian Vettel...

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by alexa » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:09 pm

NL_Fer wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:52 pm
McLaren did not seem to be very usefull with Mercedes knowledge from 2014, when they went to Honda.
That's because honda guys never did pay attention about Mclaren suggestions what not to do,the rest is history.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by HPD » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:42 pm

What did not stuck in your couple? And what made communication impossible?

Hasegawa: The first reason is that we have not done a good job. I can apologize for lack of time, lack of discernment about our hopes ... All of which combined with the lack of power have altered our initial good communication. McLaren was not happy and let him know. A better team spirit should have prevailed, but it did not depend solely on us. We are two in a couple ...

In this type of conflict, there are always good and bad. Have you defended yourself enough?

Hasegawa: I understand what you mean ... We had our problems, and McLaren was his. I could have pointed out the chassis problems encountered, but it would have been pointless to point who is responsible for what and for what. We had our problems, and we were not in a position to comment ...

http://www.autohebdo.fr/f1/actualites/h ... 89328.html

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by NL_Fer » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:41 pm

I’m talking about obvious visable specs of the PU. Fuel consumption, ERS deployment amount, oil usage, gps traces, etc. McLaren technicians are not stupid, the average one should at least have comparable knowledge of powerunits as we amateurs one this forum have. Honda should have been prevented from building the disasterous size zero PU.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by Squid » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:18 am

alexa wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:09 pm
NL_Fer wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:52 pm
McLaren did not seem to be very usefull with Mercedes knowledge from 2014, when they went to Honda.
That's because honda guys never did pay attention about Mclaren suggestions what not to do,the rest is history.
Please enlighten us regarding these suggestions.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by GhostF1 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:28 am

I think it's premature to suggest McLaren have a dedicated internal combustion engine department with the same level of experience and or technical prowess as Honda, Renault, Merc or Ferrari would have.
That's not to say they don't have powertrain specialists in their road car division, but it's probably a stretch to assume they have developmental engineers with the right know how unless they were looking at designing and manufacturing their own engines soon.
Even so. I'm not sure I'd be confident in saying McLaren engineers have complete understanding and comprehension of how the Honda PU works in its entirety. McLaren always say you'd have to ask Honda how this works, why this isn't working, how long it will be until updates.

Basically I don't think, even as works partners, they were privy to every detail or as much as some are suggesting.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by makecry » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:29 am

HPD wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:42 pm
What did not stuck in your couple? And what made communication impossible?

Hasegawa: The first reason is that we have not done a good job. I can apologize for lack of time, lack of discernment about our hopes ... All of which combined with the lack of power have altered our initial good communication. McLaren was not happy and let him know. A better team spirit should have prevailed, but it did not depend solely on us. We are two in a couple ...

In this type of conflict, there are always good and bad. Have you defended yourself enough?

Hasegawa: I understand what you mean ... We had our problems, and McLaren was his. I could have pointed out the chassis problems encountered, but it would have been pointless to point who is responsible for what and for what. We had our problems, and we were not in a position to comment ...

http://www.autohebdo.fr/f1/actualites/h ... 89328.html

The time McLaren lost due to the shitty pre-season testing obviously affected the chassis. I dont know what people expect. The problem here is the failure to acknowledge that despite such a dismal pre-season testing, McLaren has produced a decent chassis.

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by dren » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:05 pm

Or maybe the issues with the chassis magnified the shittiness of preseason testing?

Either way, it was a team effort that produced 3 years of relatively poor outings.
Honda!

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by diffuser » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:17 pm

Gotta love the brutal honesty of Hasegawa.


I for one was completely floored by what Honda showed up with at the winter tests. They knew all the marbles were at stake and yet...They came completely ill prepared.

Why did they keep updating the 2016 PU ? Why didn't they put absolutely everything into 2017 ASAP in 2016?

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Re: 2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

Post by HPD » Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:00 am

diffuser wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:17 pm
Gotta love the brutal honesty of Hasegawa.


I for one was completely floored by what Honda showed up with at the winter tests. They knew all the marbles were at stake and yet...They came completely ill prepared.

Why did they keep updating the 2016 PU ? Why didn't they put absolutely everything into 2017 ASAP in 2016?
Because the boss was Arai-san (? :lol: