Toro Rosso did the same with Vettel in Germany, so that Alonso had nowhere to go and actually had to leave the pit lane exit. Vettel wasn't even investigated. And regarding Kimi's incident, we've seen it a few times in the past, with no further consequences. We've seen Montoya overtaking his mechanic, we've seen Button eating the lollipop man in a similar fashion to Kimi, and we've even seen Sutil exiting the Magny Cours pit lane with the whole fuel rig. That was dangerous. Before we forget, we've seen a rookie Kazuki have a go at his mechanics in Brazil last year as a practice session to the Alonso incident too.Chaparral wrote:In many other series globally its a drive through penalty and in F1 its been totally inconsistent how does one not consider that Ferrari are not the favoured ones [-X - mind you Kimi's incident with the fuel rig should have brought a penalty also - downright dangerous [-X
Regarding Massa, I don't follow many series, so I can't tell you what is the usual punishment in those cases. I just pointed out that in the last cases we've had in F1, not even an investigation was proposed. We'd have one more precedent had Hamilton braked in Montreal.Chaparral wrote:With all due respect Miguel its the FIA (sorry their stewardship at each GP) that is to blame for the inconsistancy in the rules regarding pit lane activity - as I'd said in most formulae that sort of incident would have drawn a drive through penalty and does (in a consistent manner) - lets get that straight. As for KR's incident - thats just not acceptable is it - I dont care who's fault it is do you.
Yes, I know that Ferrari gets preferential economic treatment, and I feel that as profoundly unjust. But agreeing with you there doesn't mean I have to agree with you in that the treatment in Valencia has been preferential.As an aside - Ferrari just for the mere fact they receive $20 mill USD + per annum just to turn up at each GP means (yes they are favoured) in most circumstances do you not agree - blame Ecclestone for that one he did the deal a decade ago
Which of course is dangerous in a narrow and crowded pit lane.woohoo wrote:There wasent any incident, they JUST. DROVE. ALONGSIDE. ONE. ANOTHER.
I suggest you watch the incident again then, and if the normal line out of the pits is the line Sutil took then you are correct and he did not force Sutil anywhere, but I very much doubt that Sutil would purposely drive his nice new tires into all the dirt by the wall.woohoo wrote:Oh climb down that wall!
He dident force Sutil anywhere, Sutil kept his path, and Massa did the same.
There wasent any incident, they JUST. DROVE. ALONGSIDE. ONE. ANOTHER.
Im still going with the Alonso to Ferrari for 2009 theory!!! If Raikkonen dont start performing on the same level as Felipe then Luca is gonna pay him off at the end of this season and Fernando will be joining Massa next year!!! Kimi says he can still do it, but it has to be too late for him now, as Ferrari have to put all the resources behind the driver with the best chance of winning, and that looks to be Massa atm.....Ferrari surely wont make a complete balls up of it like McIdiots did last year letting both drivers fight each other until the last race!!!!gabsy wrote:It's almost as if Kimi is content with his 1 World Championship.Ray wrote:Hamilton tends to crash others out of contention though. He has a real bad habit of rearending people.
Sad to see Kimi blow a motor, but he just seems to not really care. What's up with him this year?
I really would not be suprised to see him retire at the end of next year to be replaced by Alonso.