Caterham CT-04 Pre-launch Speculation

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Post Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:54 pm

This is the speculation thread about the 2014 car. Rumors, articles, ideas and fantasies about the car can be posted here. Once the car gets officially launched, this thread will be closed and discussion continues in the official thread.

Engine speculation has its own thread; unless it directly involves the 2014 Caterham contender, please keep any speculation here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9259&view=unread#unread

For other 2014 topics, please check here
turbof1
 
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Post Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:01 pm

Caterham seems already to have crashtested it's car, according to AMuS:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 23270.html

(Note that the article was written on November 23th)
turbof1
 
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Post Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:10 pm

turbof1 wrote:Caterham seems already to have crashtested it's car, according to AMuS:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 23270.html

(Note that the article was written on November 23th)


simply put -a lot less man hours have been spent before the design freeze of the chassis was finalised.This will of course have an influence on all interfaces -be it structural ,electrical,hydraulic ,aerodynamic.

I f you suddenly realise your aero concept does not work due to a wrong chassis shape ina critical area ,or one of your design boffins comes up with a great idea needing a bit of tweaking of chssis shape -you are stuck for a whole year...

I do not see the sense of commisioning parts too early when you don´t need to .
But maybe they are a bit ambitious in some area of weight or shape and fear to not pass first time ?
marcush.
 
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Post Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:06 pm

marcush. wrote:
turbof1 wrote:Caterham seems already to have crashtested it's car, according to AMuS:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 23270.html

(Note that the article was written on November 23th)


simply put -a lot less man hours have been spent before the design freeze of the chassis was finalised.This will of course have an influence on all interfaces -be it structural ,electrical,hydraulic ,aerodynamic.

I f you suddenly realise your aero concept does not work due to a wrong chassis shape ina critical area ,or one of your design boffins comes up with a great idea needing a bit of tweaking of chssis shape -you are stuck for a whole year...

I do not see the sense of commisioning parts too early when you don´t need to .
But maybe they are a bit ambitious in some area of weight or shape and fear to not pass first time ?

Remember, half the battle for these teams is convincing the advertisers that they actually have enough money to make the whole season happen. By crash testing early, they're saying "look, parts are already in production, we're well on our way, we'll be on the grid".
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Post Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:33 pm

It is not that early though. I thinkkk all teams have already built their first 1-2 chassis at this time of the year - crash test has happened already for some of them, only as belseebob suggested, some may need more coverage for that in order to attract sponsors
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shelly
 
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Post Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:30 am

The corollary to that is that the sooner they have such a major part of the architecture settled the more complete the work they can do on the rest of the systems, means development can start sooner and since they don't have the same ability to introduce major overhauls later they're probably betting that the extra time to sort out the chassis, the packaging etc will help them be competitive sooner. And of course every year it's anyone's game in Melbourne. A couple points early in the game even if they don't turn out to be contenders can help maintain morale.
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Post Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:16 pm

Caterham successfully passed all mandatory chassis crash tests...



...and revealed little secret: it will feature Blanchimont type high nose with finger, see viewtopic.php?p=468637#p468637

Also note that CT-04 is high chassis (625mm) with hooked front bulkhead (525 mm).
techF1LES
 
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Post Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:56 pm

Few screenshots.

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Owen.C93
 
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Post Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:56 am

What reveals the shape of the nose more than those blurry views from 3/4th behind is the print on the wall after the crrash:

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100% "Blanchimont type high nose with finger"
Lheela
 
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Post Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:17 pm

Scarbs looks to of mocked up a few drawings of what it "may" look like (RE: Chassis impact test video) :

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Hail22
 
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Post Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:33 pm

marcush. wrote:I do not see the sense of commisioning parts too early when you don´t need to .


What's "too early" then? Track testing starts in January. Once you have a design for some big composite piece there's the lead time on all the tooling, positive/negative molds, the actual fabrication itself, certification, more fabrication, maybe spending time on K&C rig etc etc. Plus how many other systems and components depend on the chassis design being frozen so their design phase can be complete?
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Post Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:11 pm

I got this frame from video
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then i I drawed the frame by tracing the shape of the frame
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So I got this shape side view
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http://www.newsf1.it/
zioture
 
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Post Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:29 am

but if you look above the shape of the nose has already been revealed...
astracrazy
 
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Post Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:06 pm

astracrazy wrote:but if you look above the shape of the nose has already been revealed...


according to somebody's interpretation. this is another interpretation, and quite frankly, i think this one looks more interesting, and i feel like may even be more correct.



great, it looks very interesting and i think looks even more realistic then the above one,
specifically looking at the angle of the lower part regarding the 'higher' part. good job
and thanks for the effort =D>
Manoah2u
 
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Post Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:03 pm

I'd say that both scarbs and zioture got it right in some way and it's always good to see new interpretations. Ziotures finger structure seems to be more accurate to me (how it extends below the nose) and scarbs definitely shows the general layout.

But the vanity panel that scarbs has drawn looks a bit to narrow to me, look at the picture below. So in the end it should come very close to a Blanchimont nose! :)

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