What can be done to make the engine louder?

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What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby McG » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:38 pm

Seems like it is going to change but what can be done technically to make it louder?

I don't have a clue what could be added but I hope it doesn't affect any teams performance negatively.

In my opinion they they should have allowed much higher revs and multiple exhausts. I'm actually not too bothered about the sound. Just hope they come up with a pure way of increasing the sound rather than a kind of fake way. There's too much fake stuff going on already.
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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby beelsebob » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:42 pm

Why on earth would you make the engines louder? Louder engines implies wasted energy, which is exactly the opposite of the goal of the rules.

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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby el-Magico » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:42 pm

They can install speakers in the car, that produce a V12 or V10 sound like back in the days..
Source example: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20111031-48/bmw-m5-generates-fake-engine-noise-using-stereo/
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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby McG » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:51 pm

el-Magico wrote:They can install speakers in the car, that produce a V12 or V10 sound like back in the days..
Source example: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20111031-48/bmw-m5-generates-fake-engine-noise-using-stereo/


Or play Rage Against The Machine instead of an engine sound.
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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby rjsa » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:18 pm

beelsebob wrote:Why on earth would you make the engines louder? Louder engines implies wasted energy, which is exactly the opposite of the goal of the rules.

Car racing is wasted energy, so shut it all down and move on!

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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby mrluke » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:02 pm

beelsebob wrote:Why on earth would you make the engines louder? Louder engines implies wasted energy, which is exactly the opposite of the goal of the rules.


What part of a megaphone style exhaust would waste more energy?
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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby McG » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:17 pm

mrluke wrote:
beelsebob wrote:Why on earth would you make the engines louder? Louder engines implies wasted energy, which is exactly the opposite of the goal of the rules.


What part of a megaphone style exhaust would waste more energy?


Wow I didn't even think about such an obvious way of increasing the volume. Quite sad it might have got to this stage!
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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby MOWOG » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:32 pm

How about adding 4 cylinders? :P
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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby avatar » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:43 pm

Aren't the cars running around at ~12k rpm at the moment?
(15k permitted)

Why not add some incentive to use full revs and get +25% engine rotations per minute a peak?
E.g. maybe additional ERS boost to offset the inefficiencies of running the ICE up that both?

Might not be easy to come up with/legislate for the incentives, but it's one way to produce a bit more noise.

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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby Holm86 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:55 pm

There is no more fuel burned at 15.000 rpm than at 10500 rpm. So increasing the revs will only change the sound. Not increase the volume.

And I don't see how a taper on the exhaust pipe like a megaphone would increase sound volume either.

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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby Harvey » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:59 pm

I know it's been asked already, but why does it need to be louder?

What would those extra decibels add to the show that is currently missing?

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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby bhall » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:02 pm

MOWOG wrote:How about adding 4 cylinders? :P

I like the cut of your jib.

Really, though, I think any steps taken solely to alter or amplify the sound the of the engines would be just as artificial as DRS, mandatory tire compound use, and all the other nonsense that's popped up lately. And this is coming from someone who absolutely abhors the exhaust note of the new power units.

At what point do these sorts of machinations become an insulting caricature of a sport more interested in trading on its legacy than building upon it? (Are we there yet?)

Besides, what made the sound of the previous engines truly special was the way in which it was created. Any sound can be synthesized. But, would you rather hear the sound of a high-rev engine screaming around a circuit or would you rather hear an actual high-rev engine screaming around a circuit?

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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby Gridlock » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:17 pm

Ironically Bernie is the one who could probably fix this all by himself for 99.99999% of viewers, seeing how all the trackside mics and sound desks belong to him ;)
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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby NTS » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:29 pm

They should just pick a better place for the microphones for the TV recording and mix that channel a little louder. The sound is not nearly that bad in the videos shot by viewers of the testing, so the TV guys did something wrong.

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Re: What can be done to make the engine louder?

Postby AnthonyG » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:33 pm

Bolt the v8 back in.
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