Vettel's starts were fine last year. I think he only ever lost positions at the start in China, Germany and Italy. Webber was the one who suffered the most with the starts. I think you have to go back to Silverstone 2010 to see the last time he actually gained a place at the start.raymondu999 wrote:Eh? I didn't think the RBRs were spectacular off the line. They were (relative to McL/Ferrari) probably over the course of the season the worst - though a close third.
I can't help but think that Webber won't be near Vettel again. Maybe not as far as in 2011 - but nowhere near his 2010 levels. I think subconsciously there's probably a fraction of his mind that's resigned - even with Vettel getting hampered by reliability and rookie mistakes (which to be fair - Vettel should have shed already at that stage) in 2009 and 2010 - that he wasn't able to beat him over a season.
They were fine - but usually he'd be at Turn 1 with the car in P2 less than 8 meters away.Gerhard Berger wrote:Vettel's starts were fine last year. I think he only ever lost positions at the start in China, Germany and Italy.
From the OP's comments it sounds as though Horner said that Jenson will be more of a threat to Vettel than Webber, which would have been very poor form from the RBR team principal.Asked to pick out the strongest rival to Vettel and his team-mate Mark Webber, Horner responded: "Probably Jenson."
Alonso was hampered by poor starts in the first few races in 2011 and also in alot of races in 2010. He got a new clutch at Barcelona, and since then he's been making rockets starts.KingHamilton wrote:speaking of start`s any idea`s on why ferrari and Alonso were so quick off the line last season? some stonking start`s from him! McLaren didn`t seem to be to great of the line on a lot of occassion`s.
+29 Schumacher *
+15, Buemi #
+8 Di Resta, Massa
+4 D’Ambrosio, Heidfeld ******
-3 Vettel ######
-8 Hamilton, Maldonado
- 9 Sutil ##,
-11 Button, Alguersuari####
-12 Perez ###
-20 Senna, Barrichello #####
- 23 Webber
* Schumacher had one bad start in Australia, losing 8 places but since then has been the season’s outstanding starter. He gained 9 places in Spa and four in Monza.
** Kobayashi lost 10 places in Spain, prior to that he had gained 8 in 4 starts. He lost 7 places in an incident at the start in India.
*** After losing places in the first three races, Alonso has reversed that trend. His starts in Barcelona and Monza were outstanding.
**** Petrov had a good record until he lost 4 places at the start in Valencia. He was on a +2 balance before Monza where he was taken out at the start.
***** Rosberg lost four places at the start in Silverstone and was on a +6 balance before Monza where he was taken out in the first corner
****** Heidfeld had gained 20 places but lost 12 at the start in Germany
******* Di Resta had consistent start form and gained 7 places in the first nine races, but lost 12 at the start in Germany.
# Buemi made up nine places at the start in Hungary having started 23rd on the grid
## Sutil had a positive start balance until Hungary where he lost 12 places at the start
### Perez lost nine places off the start in Hungary.
#### Alguersuari was doing well with a +6 record prior to Spa, where he was hit by another car and lost 18 places. In Monza he gained 7 places at the start.
##### Barrichello lost 7 places at the start in India
###### Vettel had a non-contact puncture and retired on lap 1 in Abu Dhabi
By the same logic, I came to the conclusion that Hamilton will be the bigger challenger this year, mostly because of how pirelli changed them – they've very specifically made the fronts wear faster, and the rears wear slower. Given that the reason Hamilton couldn't use his normal style of hanging the back out, was exactly because the rear tyres wore too fast doing that, I think we'll see him make a comeback this year.Mr.S wrote:Pretty reasonable analysis if Mclaren is Red Bull's biggest threat. The tyres are degrading much more than last year,managing tyres will be crucial. Jenson is settling more & more into the team. If he does not have those pit stop & mechanical failures like last year then he will definitely be a big challenger.