Schumacher ski accident, coma and recovery

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At the press conference, it was also said that it is the right side of his brain that is swollen and in addition slightly injured.

Let's hope the best for him to recover completely.
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When he´s healthy, put him back in F1. Obviously this is the safest place on earth statistically for him :)
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according to the press conference schamacher's condition holds;

- multiple and diffuse injuries of the brain
- body temperature is being kept between 34°-35°C
- he is being kept in artificial coma for better oxygen flow within the brain
- holes in skull where drilled to help releasing the rising pressure within the brain
- accident must have been really high speed for this kind of injury while wearing a helmet
- hospital says he was in a condition called "reanimation of the brain" when he arrived and he still is in this condition

i'm afraid this doesn't look good at all.
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reanimation of the brain means? It´s trying to heal itself?
I can´t find anything about the condition called that.
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that means that he may have been braindead, or the brain was without activity [due to some cause. lack of brain activity can be due to inability for blood to travel through, but doesn't mean the brain is dead, as opposed to being braindead due to severe brain damage], and like reanimation of the heart in a heart attack [no activity of the heart], they have made effort to bring activity to the brain. that is possibile through electric pulses for example. Regarding the statements there was a brain hemmoraghe, this could have blocked bloodflow through the brain, and thus resulting in a lack of brain activity. the surgery might have removed this hemmoraghe, so blood can flow through the brain again, thus regaining brain activity.
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Manoah2u wrote:that means that he may have been braindead, or the brain was without activity [due to some cause. lack of brain activity can be due to inability for blood to travel through, but doesn't mean the brain is dead, as opposed to being braindead due to severe brain damage], and like reanimation of the heart in a heart attack [no activity of the heart], they have made effort to bring activity to the brain. that is possibile through electric pulses for example. Regarding the statements there was a brain hemmoraghe, this could have blocked bloodflow through the brain, and thus resulting in a lack of brain activity. the surgery might have removed this hemmoraghe, so blood can flow through the brain again, thus regaining brain activity.
Brain dead is completely wrong, if he is brain dead then he is Dead. Full stop
He is not brain dead and he doesn't have the blood flow blocked
If someone has what you just said , then he is probably dead beyond recovery.

I am saying this coz I am a doctor, physician in india for the past 10 yrs now

What Schumy has now is massive hemmoraghe below the brain covering (dura matter) and that's why they call it sub dual hemmoraghe. When this happens the blood starts collecting below the barin covering and starts compressing the brain ( as there not place for the blood to go), which in turn hurts the brain lying there. So because of this u will have increased intracranial pressure ( which might suggest his agitation - class symptom). So first they open his head to remove this blood and close the bleeding point , then they drilled a hole to release the tension caused by above mentioned reasons. Second surgery might indicate that they may have few more bleeding points.
As for reanimation comment, it maybe some google translation error, what i think they are saying is lucid interval seen in subdutal hematoma where you have intervals of consciousness and unconsciousness.
So for any head injury it is vital to put the patient in intubation (artificial resipiration) as head injury might lead to loss of respiratory function etc. so that's why he is put in medically induced coma
I could be wrong in some areas but this is what I understood from reading all news

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Mods, more important that ever, anything not backed up with a link to a credible source, please delete. Thank you.

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siskue2005 wrote:
Manoah2u wrote:that means that he may have been braindead, or the brain was without activity [due to some cause. lack of brain activity can be due to inability for blood to travel through, but doesn't mean the brain is dead, as opposed to being braindead due to severe brain damage], and like reanimation of the heart in a heart attack [no activity of the heart], they have made effort to bring activity to the brain. that is possibile through electric pulses for example. Regarding the statements there was a brain hemmoraghe, this could have blocked bloodflow through the brain, and thus resulting in a lack of brain activity. the surgery might have removed this hemmoraghe, so blood can flow through the brain again, thus regaining brain activity.
Brain dead is completely wrong, if he is brain dead then he is Dead. Full stop
He is not brain dead and he doesn't have the blood flow blocked
If someone has what you just said , then he is probably dead beyond recovery.
Indeed, this guy is just trying to create "drama". I hope the mods take action swiftly.

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A leading neurosurgery specialist has described Michael Schumacher's condition as "very dangerous", warning that his injuries may take several days to "reach their peak".

Christopher Chandler, of the London Neurosurgery Partnership, said the haematoma and bruising the F1 champion suffered could cause "ferocious swelling".

"An intra-cranial haematoma is a blood clot, which causes swelling and pressure on the brain," he said.

"The scenario may be that he had a blood clot in his brain that required immediate removal, which would explain the surgery.

"By bilateral lesions, I suspect they mean contusions or bruising to the brain. That bruising of the brain, which you can see on a scan, causes ferocious swelling and that is really serious.

"(Cerebral) contusions are often the most significant injury. Once you remove the clot, the swelling carries on and bruising precipitates and propagates that swelling.

"If you have a brain injury with sufficient severity to cause a coma, that indicates a very serious situation. The longer a patient is in a coma, the less likely they are to make a full recovery.

"You can't say that they won't recover, and you can't say they won't be brain- damaged, but an injury such as bilateral bruising, which means on both sides of the brain, is very serious, and can be very dangerous."

The consultant continued: "Brain swelling takes a number of days to reach its peak. The brain has a rigid unyielding box around it - the skull - which allows no room for growth, making swelling very, very dangerous.

"And once that injury occurs it's a vicious circle where a little bit of swelling causes more pressure, which causes more swelling, more pressure, and it starts to accelerate and affect vital parts of the brain.

"When that happens, you are in really deep trouble, but this man received probably the best possible care that you could imagine in the circumstances.

"He had the brain injury and within minutes a team of medics were there and they airlifted him to hospital. Within half an hour he was assessed and being flown to the neurological unit in Grenoble."

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Source link please?

EDIT: Here it is:- http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... um=twitter

Was that so hard?

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I was never a Shumi fan, but damn this sucks big time.
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My Prayers go out to Schumacher.

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Gary Hartstein, the former Formula One Medical Delegate, who succeeded Professor Sid Watkins, looks at today's press conference at the hospital treating Michael Schumacher.
Writing on his blog (http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com), the American, who was controversially dropped by the FIA in 2012, and who (unforgivably) once prevented editor Chris Balfe from getting a ride in a two-seater McLaren (long story), writes: "First off, this press conference was rather more reassuring than what I expected. I'll admit that I feared an announcement of a second operation for persistently elevated intracranial pressure (ICP), and the fact that that's not been needed is good.
"Besides keeping Michael deeply asleep, they've also slightly lowered his body temperature," he continues. "This is part of the strategy to optimise the brain's metabolic state. Along with increasing the delivery of "good stuff" to the brain, reducing the temperature reduces the brain's need for stuff. Therefore the supply: consumption relation is rendered more favourable.
"We've been told that Michael has bilateral lesions. This mean the brain is wounded in both hemispheres. That shouldn't surprise us. This was a hard hit. What kind of "lesions"? While we haven't been told exactly, we can assume a mix of three types. First, the hematoma itself. This is a collection of blood that can be evacuated. That's been done, and Michael will be examined and scanned regularly in order to detect the formation of any new hematomas, or re-accumulation of the original one.
"Next are contusions. These are basically black-and-blue marks in the brain. They result from blunt forces, and consist of areas of swelling and blood that's seeped out of the vessels into the tissues - just like when you hit your arm. In the brain, as elsewhere, that blood gets absorbed, and the damage heals. Usually fine, but sometimes leaving small cavities behind.
"The third type of lesions are at the microscopic level. They consist of damage to the bundles of "cables" (axons) connecting groups of brain cells. This type of damage isn't readily visible using standard imaging, but is often associated with "poor neurological outcome". These lesions aren't treated specifically; rather, they are managed by classic neuro-intensive care principles - maximise brain happiness and avoid brain unhappiness."

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Manoah2u wrote: oh ok a dutch and german news report stated the website of Ralf turned black, reports were made just an hour ago.
well let's hope then that doesn't mean anything.
I have read elsewhere it has been black for a long while.

Just got to wait and hope people.

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MSC is strong, he will survive and he will recover to live a normal life.
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